NEGATIVE!

[wulsy]

Recently Brian coined the phase Negative Left Wrist Torque (NLWT).

Looking at a lot of amateur swings, NEGATIVTY (in the sense of NLWT) is exactly what is lacking.

Any thoughts on other movements in the swing which are similar in that they suppress physical forces in the golf swing in order to maximise force into the ball?

 

[birly-shirly]

er...are you sure that Brian was saying that the end goal was to maximise force into the ball?

 

[wulsy]

er...I don't think he was saying that he uses it to try to minimise it.

But I know where you're coming from with the comment. The in-line condition (left arm, clubshaft) at impact does have the effect of maximising force by influencing the timing of the kinetic chain (KC), no? Scooping/flipping can be (to a degree) a problem of the KC, whereby the club is accelerated (angularly) too early, relative to the the shoulders and arms: this definitely leads to less force being delivered into the ball.

Clearly though, as you imply birly, NLWT could be used when NOT wishing to apply maximum force.

 

[natep]

I have been employing a slight negative left leg torque thru impact, a slight clockwise torque, for several weeks. I've been crushing the ball.

It is VERY slight though. I feel it in the inside of my thigh, like where Hogan says you should feel it in 5 Lessons.

 

[wulsy]

thanks natep. i use that one as well.

 

[Ringer]

I have been employing a slight negative left leg torque thru impact, a slight clockwise torque, for several weeks. I've been crushing the ball.

It is VERY slight though. I feel it in the inside of my thigh, like where Hogan says you should feel it in 5 Lessons.

You could do what Chi Chi did and just turn your foot inward.

 

[birly-shirly]

er...I don't think he was saying that he uses it to try to minimise it.

But I know where you're coming from with the comment. The in-line condition (left arm, clubshaft) at impact does have the effect of maximising force by influencing the timing of the kinetic chain (KC), no? Scooping/flipping can be (to a degree) a problem of the KC, whereby the club is accelerated (angularly) too early, relative to the the shoulders and arms: this definitely leads to less force being delivered into the ball.

Clearly though, as you imply birly, NLWT could be used when NOT wishing to apply maximum force.

Wulsy - I'm really just thinking about the assumption that the in-line condition means maximum clubhead speed. I'm not convinced that the clubhead slows once it passes the line of the left arm, and if it did, I'm not convinced that the effect would be large.

I think the wrist angle would have an important influence on the clubhead's angle of attack and low point, and of course clubface alignment both left/right and vertically. I'd guess these factors are way more important than the effect on clubhead speed.

Regardless of what it means to have a flat left wrist - I'm interested in the idea that it's a force at the wrist that achieves the FLW. I thought it was Brian's basic premise in his COAFF video that it was the correct use of the pivot to apply a forward force to the arms that left you with a passive, but flat, left wrist.

I'd like to hear to what extent his thinking has moved on this.

 

[wulsy]

I agree with your sentiments birly. I can't see a flat left wrist being produced anywhere other than at the wirst itself. Totaly passive and flat would be too coincidental IMO.