New Break Reading Method

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Hi Folks,

I recently created a method of using 2 putts on the practice green to establish for the golfer's personal delivery pace and the green speed how much the ball breaks for all slopes and all distances out to about 15 feet or so, in terms of either how many inches of break to play per foot of putt or what percentage of the putt length the break is.

Once the golfer sees how much the slopes break, he then uses the basic patterns from the practice green to get a strong "ballpark" facing any unique putt on the course. The simple case is a ball that rolls only across one tilted slope of the same flatness from ball to hole, with no intervening contouring of the surface. Then the ballpark read is adjusted from a standard slope (1%, 2%, 3%, 4%, 5%, 6%) to the in-between slope of the green and any other adjustment for slight differences in green speed or perhaps a bit for uphill and downhill. The adjustment from the ballpark, if any, is very minor in almost all cases.

The complex putt involves intervening contouring, true, but in almost all cases the FINAL segment of the putt at the hole is simply one same flatness. Because the FINAL segment is the one that determines the outcome, as reading putts in effect starts at the hole and works backwards, the method here still works on the FINAL segment to identify the break in the sense that once the ball enters the final flatness, that is the distance of the putt that will break the remainder of the way to the hole. That "reads" the most important part of the putt, and the golfer has to work backwards from this final flatness to figure out how to deliver the ball onto the final area correctly so it works out as required.

Then I designed and created a 21-page book with photos, drawings, and illustrations about how all this works. If anyone on this forum wants a free copy of this pdf book, just email me and I'll send it along. Email geoff@puttingzone.com.

Cheers!

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Geoff Mangum
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Essentially Tony, Geoff has a way to read the break that uses 2 putting directions to help you gage the speed of the greens for that day. It's for determinging this break and speed from within 15 feet of the hole.

The rest of the post is explaining that since nearly all putts are the most influenced by the last 15 feet, you don't need to try and gage the speed and break any more than that.

If you can figure out the break for just one 15 foot putt, you have a foundation for how the entire course is going to break that day and from any distance.
 

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Essentially Tony, Geoff has a way to read the break that uses 2 putting directions to help you gage the speed of the greens for that day. It's for determinging this break and speed from within 15 feet of the hole.

The rest of the post is explaining that since nearly all putts are the most influenced by the last 15 feet, you don't need to try and gage the speed and break any more than that.

If you can figure out the break for just one 15 foot putt, you have a foundation for how the entire course is going to break that day and from any distance.

Ringer u r good, I also had trouble understanding what the post was about thank you.
 
Thank you. Now it just seems silly. Sorry. Do I get to wear some sort of slope-vision-googles that calculate the percentage of slope in each putt I face? If not, I don't get the point.

Essentially Tony, Geoff has a way to read the break that uses 2 putting directions to help you gage the speed of the greens for that day. It's for determinging this break and speed from within 15 feet of the hole.

The rest of the post is explaining that since nearly all putts are the most influenced by the last 15 feet, you don't need to try and gage the speed and break any more than that.

If you can figure out the break for just one 15 foot putt, you have a foundation for how the entire course is going to break that day and from any distance.
 
All greens have slope percentages and if you don't think about slope percentages your chances of reading a green correctly go down dramatically. It isn't that hard to spot the percentage with some practice. 4% is big. I actually measured a portion of a green the other day (Home Depot has a simple device that can measure the slope %) at 18%. Biggest ever and basically unplayable. Pins shouldn't be on slope percentages greater than 4% no matter what the reasonable stimp.
 
All greens have slope percentages and if you don't think about slope percentages your chances of reading a green correctly go down dramatically. It isn't that hard to spot the percentage with some practice. 4% is big. I actually measured a portion of a green the other day (Home Depot has a simple device that can measure the slope %) at 18%. Biggest ever and basically unplayable. Pins shouldn't be on slope percentages greater than 4% no matter what the reasonable stimp.

Very true. It takes minimal effort with some dedicated practice to be able to identify the slope % and the fall line running through the hole. Once you can accurately get these two, putting becomes a whole different ball game. Pretty much the only "putting" I practice anymore is delivery speed and green reading.

There are some nifty phone apps out there as well that help with finding the slope/fall line.
 

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Very true. It takes minimal effort with some dedicated practice to be able to identify the slope % and the fall line running through the hole. Once you can accurately get these two, putting becomes a whole different ball game. Pretty much the only "putting" I practice anymore is delivery speed and green reading.

There are some nifty phone apps out there as well that help with finding the slope/fall line.

ok granato give up phone app for the I phone.:cool:
 
All greens have slope percentages and if you don't think about slope percentages your chances of reading a green correctly go down dramatically. It isn't that hard to spot the percentage with some practice. 4% is big. I actually measured a portion of a green the other day (Home Depot has a simple device that can measure the slope %) at 18%. Biggest ever and basically unplayable. Pins shouldn't be on slope percentages greater than 4% no matter what the reasonable stimp.

Actually if you read Geoffs ebook you can see that slopes for pin placement can go up to 6% but that is dependent on the stimp. I guess on the greens I am playing a slope of 100% would still be acceptable ;-)

Geoff doesn't seem to be in favour of phone apps to read the slope as you don't get to learn to judge the slope.
 
Geoff doesn't seem to be in favour of phone apps to read the slope as you don't get to learn to judge the slope.

I read it as just the opposite. You need something (phone app, etc) to verify that you are judging the slope correctly as you get used to identifying the various slopes.
 
What I don't like with these apps is that they show the slope in X and Y .Useless, you want the fall line and the slope on that fall line.
The Clinometer does that but it is very small and it jumps around.

There is a free app called Bubble Level from Johnson Level which shows just the slope and you can set it to be in % as well (very important according to Geoff.

Has anyone tried this app: App Store - Golf Vision Green AnalyzerI guess it is complete BS but who knows.


Btw. mgranato: what service do you use to upload the images? The link of the picture is to mzstatic.com, if I type that into my browser I get redirected to apple.com. Is that a service you can use directly from iPhoto?



Geoff just updated the PDF, the link is here: http://puttingzone.com/Downloads/SlopeBreak.pdf
 
Btw. mgranato: what service do you use to upload the images? The link of the picture is to mzstatic.com, if I type that into my browser I get redirected to apple.com. Is that a service you can use directly from iPhoto?

I just find the pics out on the web, copy the image address, and paste it with the little pic icon we get when making a post. If it's something off my mac, I'll upload it to photobucket then do the previous copy/paste deal.
 
Here's what I like to do: hit a practice putt from the same spot as my 'real' putt, see the speed and the break, and then make my real putt. Saves me from having to buy an iphone, and it works a lot better than the app. I think this is just as legal as using an iphone, slope-reading app. For you app-heads I suggest you re-watch Caddyshack and check out Rodney Dangerfield's gizmo. I'd use one of these.
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I think the whole point of using the app or a slope reading tool is to learn how the slope percentages translate to the real world, and how they effect the break and speed. Not to use during a round. It's about LEARNING, not about cheating. Use the tools when you practice to help learn how to read greens. If you're using them to do it for you rather then teach you, then you're basically accepting that you're incapable of learning.

So clearly Tony, you really, really, really don't get the point. Which I don't get, because its pretty simple. You practice in order to learn. I don't understand how there's any room for confusion here.
 
If you think the Tour players aren't using every tool in the box (Range finders w/ slope, break meters, previous pin sheets and Aimpoint charts) from Monday-Wednesday then you are mistaken. It's their livelihood and one stroke over 4 days may mean they keep their card.

Now PED's...that's a whole separate issue.
 
Well, strictly speaking, doesn't Tony's practice putt embody the same information as any of these other measuring gadgets?

It's just presented in a different visual format.

The trick is, I suspect, that the clinometers and charts force you to practice greenreading in a structured, disciplined way. You could use practice putts in a similar way - but it's very easy to just bang putts in the direction of the hole and not pay proper attention.

Let's be honest. How many golfers out there do you think practice their putting like mgranato - as an exercise in reading the green, rather than stroke or rhythm or even touch.
 
Let's be honest. How many golfers out there do you think practice their putting like mgranato - as an exercise in reading the green, rather than stroke or rhythm or even touch.

Hmmm... Never thought of doing that. I always just chalked green reading skills up to good eyes and time. Never thought of practicing it. But it makes a lot of sense.
 
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