New Revelations about Release and Underplaners?
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Jared Willerson
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1. Most underplaners are under plane because they pivot "like crazy"
2. Yes, someone who is chronically underplane will have to learn the correct sequence and may have to incorporate different feels.
3. Yes. Starting with how the hands move in the downswing.
2. Yes, someone who is chronically underplane will have to learn the correct sequence and may have to incorporate different feels.
3. Yes. Starting with how the hands move in the downswing.
lia41985
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If you're trying to drive your hands down and out you're bound to get too much axis tilt (although the situation can get reversed in some cases, I'm sure). Once you do that you're swinging too far right because you're never really "under plane" unless you wiff. I'd fix an under planer by having them do Brian's ball bouncing drill and if they felt like they were doing the wrong thing I'd show them Brian's videos of the great players that he recently posted.
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lia41985
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If you overcommitted your rotation you'll end up reverse tumbling the club and put yourself at risk of swinging too far right.
I read somewhere in a book around 2001 ish to just 'turn your hips from the top'. I'm still trying to train myself out of this.
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Jwat
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Definitely where it started for me!
Jared Willerson
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A player starts hooking....gets a tip about rotating more and letting the clubhead square up with the body. The player hits it great with this bit of information for a while. The player pivots more and more, completely over does it. The player starts "pivoting like crazy" to the point where the club gets stuck behind him and under plane.
Underplane does start with hooking! Usually because of an overdone initial "fix"
Underplane does start with hooking! Usually because of an overdone initial "fix"
lia41985
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Ball above feet as well, DC?
Yup! You've gotta carry to a point and that drop to tumble the club and square the face. If you keep carrying you'll reverse tumble and work under. Too much around and not enough down.
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Not sidehill ball above feet, just straight downhill lie.
I don't see a lot of this. By that I mean a stuck under planer still has to flip the club over to hook it. I agree that the overly zealous pivot through can get some people stuck under, but it would cause a block. Because with the body that far in front the club can't be squared arc or path wise, only by late flipping.
In fact I'm a believer that most faults can be fixed on a hill. All four sides of a simple mogul can be great teaching aids.
JEREMY5577
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Yeah thats me exactly. Been through the over rotation thing a million times it's about the only way to get power when you early release. Sometimes it actually works enough to shoot a decent score. Then when you start struggling you try to rotate even more and more until you get frustrated and end up on a help forum. Thank God!
Jwat
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Would it cause a block with a closed club face? I definitley dont flip. I think that is why Jared was suggesting under planers are hookers of the ball.
Under, stuck, whatever we call it, is an inside out path. And if the face is closed to that path the ball will hook. What see though with the over active pivot is a reverse tumble that causes a push/block. If there is no reverse, yes the hook is aggravated by the under. That's why on the TPS on my TRACKMAN, the first reading I check is "face to path ratio".
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