Not a "Handle-Drag"
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lia41985
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Greg,
I would say that his intent isn't to obstruct this from happening (i.e. getting to that position). Of course, that's only my speculation and you can take that for what it's worth. Here are some pictures from the video Nate kindly posted.
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gmbtempe
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agree, obstructing is bad, it just happens....intentionally bending it though I think is bad. Just pivot through impact and let the wrist do what is natural.
lia41985
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I'm down with that, Greg. If someone purposefully throws it away and hits it bad, it may help to tell them to drag but of course there could be a bunch of other things that could help. If someone drags and hits it bad, it may help to tell them to feel a little flippier but of course there could be a bunch of other things that could help. It depends...
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Brian Manzella
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It is a simple as this:
How fast can you get the BOTTOM of the grip to catch up with the TOP of the grip at impact.
Period.
It is explained in the ENSO-pro video.
What you do PAST THE BALL is TOTALLY irrelevant to the ball.....
BUT!!!
Trying to KEEP THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP from eventually passing the top, PROBABLY will slow the club, and introduce all sort of things that might not only "offend the shaft" but all the rest of the forces and torques that are optimum.
Of course, if your TEACH trying to KEEP THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP from eventually passing the top as long as possible, or you are a devotee of a method that does, you will pull every straw out you can to make your point.
How do I know?
I used to do it.
The handle-draggers need to hire me to write their press releases.
Here is one:
"We realize that TEACH trying to KEEP THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP from eventually passing the top as long as possible might slow the club down, and could be less than scientifically optimum, or even be a minority method among the best players in golf, but we prefer to teach it because we believe in it, know it backward and forward, and can improve a majority of golfers using it."
How fast can you get the BOTTOM of the grip to catch up with the TOP of the grip at impact.
Period.
It is explained in the ENSO-pro video.
What you do PAST THE BALL is TOTALLY irrelevant to the ball.....
BUT!!!
Trying to KEEP THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP from eventually passing the top, PROBABLY will slow the club, and introduce all sort of things that might not only "offend the shaft" but all the rest of the forces and torques that are optimum.
Of course, if your TEACH trying to KEEP THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP from eventually passing the top as long as possible, or you are a devotee of a method that does, you will pull every straw out you can to make your point.
How do I know?
I used to do it.
The handle-draggers need to hire me to write their press releases.
Here is one:
"We realize that TEACH trying to KEEP THE BOTTOM OF THE GRIP from eventually passing the top as long as possible might slow the club down, and could be less than scientifically optimum, or even be a minority method among the best players in golf, but we prefer to teach it because we believe in it, know it backward and forward, and can improve a majority of golfers using it."
lia41985
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But you do want to maintain some amount of forward lean, right? Maximum forward lean with minimum amount of downward strike is the "tour secret", isn't it? So maybe the point is to sequence the proximal segments, not intentionally trying to do anything with the distal segments, like the wrists, so as to get enough forward lean without doing so in a way that would obstruct the movement of the wrists so that you can get optimal speed and attack angle.
Brian Manzella
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You want the club in whatever location you need at impact for the desired D-Plane.
And on the PGA Tour, that includes a low spin loft featuring a de-lofted face and a low angle of attack.
MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, MUCH, easier to do if you have an unrestricted release.
Brian Manzella
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mgranato
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This is so what happens with anyone who can really swing it, I mean +120mph swing it. And it's usually done without a thought. But trying to rationalize it or explain it to some who barely swing it in the triple digits must be a tough task at times. Seriously, if you don't have the speed you think you're capable of, why would you hold on sooo tightly to some of these methods?
It's crazy. The can'ts are telling the cans how it should be done. A video of a student with serious club head speed gets posted, and people who can't begin to understand what it takes to swing that dynamically chirp about how it's all wrong. A video of someone with the balance of a new born deer gets posted, and that is a praised testimonial of 2 1/2 years of dedicated progress. WOW!
Strange sport we play when the ones who can't do, can't score, and don't play have the same level of authoritative confidence as those who can.
Now all it takes to be a golf swing expert is a keyboard.
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Kevin Shields
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Truer words have never been spoken
Brian Manzella
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"Only sport that there are more teachers than players."
Not my quote—old as the hills.
I just deal in fact. And on this one, I am right.
Not my quote—old as the hills.
I just deal in fact. And on this one, I am right.
Wonderful day 4 at Augusta, it NEVER disappoints!
Watching Louis swing today was like watching someone who seemed to be totally in command of the ball and his swing. I'm curious as to what the experts think happened on his loose tee shots. On the 2 or 3 occassions that he missed wide right it seemed like there was an almost imperceptable "burst" of the speed at the bottom that wasn't there on most of his tee shots today. Pressure? Did he try to add a bit? Kinda hated to see him lose as he just seemed to be in total command of the ball most of the day.
What fun to watch 2 slightly different styles.
Watching Louis swing today was like watching someone who seemed to be totally in command of the ball and his swing. I'm curious as to what the experts think happened on his loose tee shots. On the 2 or 3 occassions that he missed wide right it seemed like there was an almost imperceptable "burst" of the speed at the bottom that wasn't there on most of his tee shots today. Pressure? Did he try to add a bit? Kinda hated to see him lose as he just seemed to be in total command of the ball most of the day.
What fun to watch 2 slightly different styles.
Here was an iron:
look at the botton left of the picture...Beaver pelt divot...that didn't slow the club head down at all?
Matt 4-L
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Now that's a great post!
Kevin Shields
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The curse of the tug. Both tee shots were ones he didn't want to miss left and that's his miss under the gun
And why? Drum roll, please.
Because EVERYONE has a miss and EVERYONE has fear, at some point.
Perfect technique will never change that, just keep it from happening as often.
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