Official ANTI-SUMMIT II comment and review thread (now w/ a Manzella review)
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Brian Manzella
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I will start editing on Tuesday.
Should not take more than a week.
Should not take more than a week.
Rick Dandy
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It must have been like this, and nothing like this.
It must have been like this... in 1938 when Ben Hogan was dreaming big and working hard.
Hogan told Venturi once when he left New Orleans he was broke. Out on the early golf tour the place for information was the hotel lobby. Ask some of the last players from that era and they'll say that you would take a tip from the ball washer in the rain if it would help shoot a lower score, make some money and survive another day.
It must have been nothing like this...when Brian Manzella left New Orleans last Sunday, he wasn't broke. He was building something. A plan hatched some months and weeks ago, whereby he would assemble a cast of characters equal in respect and earned knowledge, all willing to go live in an open setting, and give questions and take answers.
The camaraderie was like 1938, but the information wasn't from the ball washer. Nothing from Dr. Google, Dikipedia, Oxford's English, or the latest greatest blogophile corporate bureaucrat, who lives his golf life through others rather than in the field of action. The devil is in the details.
Yes, the food was fantastic. Who doesn't like authentic New York Italian? If you went away with nothing but a better way to teach golf, or a better way to play golf, you done good...but I suspect that after ASII, there will be less and less attention paid to the trite and banal world of the armchair golf guru, and a higher level of respect given to the guys that put it all on the line everyday with big dreams and hard work in the rain.
If Hogan had been in the lobby two nights ago, he would have stayed in New Orleans and made the cut.
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It must have been like this... in 1938 when Ben Hogan was dreaming big and working hard.
Hogan told Venturi once when he left New Orleans he was broke. Out on the early golf tour the place for information was the hotel lobby. Ask some of the last players from that era and they'll say that you would take a tip from the ball washer in the rain if it would help shoot a lower score, make some money and survive another day.
It must have been nothing like this...when Brian Manzella left New Orleans last Sunday, he wasn't broke. He was building something. A plan hatched some months and weeks ago, whereby he would assemble a cast of characters equal in respect and earned knowledge, all willing to go live in an open setting, and give questions and take answers.
The camaraderie was like 1938, but the information wasn't from the ball washer. Nothing from Dr. Google, Dikipedia, Oxford's English, or the latest greatest blogophile corporate bureaucrat, who lives his golf life through others rather than in the field of action. The devil is in the details.
Yes, the food was fantastic. Who doesn't like authentic New York Italian? If you went away with nothing but a better way to teach golf, or a better way to play golf, you done good...but I suspect that after ASII, there will be less and less attention paid to the trite and banal world of the armchair golf guru, and a higher level of respect given to the guys that put it all on the line everyday with big dreams and hard work in the rain.
If Hogan had been in the lobby two nights ago, he would have stayed in New Orleans and made the cut.
...and now a word from our sponsor.
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I am very glad to have been able to be in attendance at the recent Anti-Summit. Everyone and I mean everyone had a chance to ask questions and no one was denied the chance. The planning process included the research papers that the speaker's had done and it gave everyone a chance to be prepared before even showing up. Michael Finney and Brian were very concerned to make sure that everyone was having a very positive learning experience and that everyone understood the learning experinece. This is very cutting edge education and Brian is trying to stay in position to make it availabe to teachers who thrive on education and who are always striving to make their students better. I am looking forward to receiving the video so that I may further digest and absorb the material. So those that could not attend, I strongly recommend purchasing the video and you will see first hand how the Summit was a real education success and you might want to attend the next Anti-Summit. Thank you Brian, Mike Finney and Mike Jacobs for making my attendeance such an enjoyable experinece.
Matt Bryda
New
Thank you to Brian Manzella, Michael Finney and Mike Jacobs for all the work of putting together and hosting such a great historic science of the golf swing summit! I also want to say thanks to Kevin Shields, Damon Lucas, John Hardesty, Chris Como and Phil Rosenbaum for sharing insightful information during breaks and before and after the main parts of the summit. Besides all the good information during the summit there is always a good laugh or story to enjoy to round out everything else. For me I am now way more interested in golf club design and the science that goes into the process. Also had the chance to ask questions and listen in on conversation with Fredrick Tuxen from Trackman. What a cool guy he is and swings a golf club a little like Retief Goosen. I also enjoyed the reactions and confirmations from the scientists during each talk.
These two days were a career highlight for me since diving into golf swing science and I am looking forward to more from Manzella.
These two days were a career highlight for me since diving into golf swing science and I am looking forward to more from Manzella.
Brian Manzella
Administrator
Smooth.
That's pretty much how the 2-day Anti-Summit II went on Long Island earlier this week. Six of golf's best scientific minds and 46 golf pros and golf swing theorists listened, questioned, and pondered the science of the golf club and swing, and were treated to a smorgasbord of concepts, answers, and practical application. One day there will be hundreds attending golf's best swing conference, but as of 2011, the D-Plane is just starting to get mentions in the press.
On day one, Steven Nesbit's hub path study was the focus of the first segmen and was followed by Sasho MacKenize's modeling and shaft deflection work, Fredrik Tuxen's ball collision and ball flight research and application. Paul Wood fielded every sort of question about the club's role and reaction to all of these forces thrust upon it, and Rob Neal discussed the bio-mechanical phases of the downswing. Aaron Zick's ever upgraded model answered some great questions, and the open forum could have lasted well into the night.
Day 2 featured my latest presentation given some upgrades with Fredrik Tuxen doing the ball-flight portion and Mike Jacobs expertly tackling the forces on the club segment. I went out with the attendees in the rain, and Tuxen fired up the brand new TrackMan III for some one of kind live lesson deconstruction by yours truly.
What did I learn new?
For one: How far in front of the curve we are by hanging around such brilliant people like the panelists.
For two: 1) How the data, the math, the scientists, common sense, and several peer reviewed research studies show how there absolutely is a deceleration phase in the pelvis, the trunk, and the arms pre-impact. One day there may be a different way to display the "kinematic sequence" as the planes of motion of the segments get their just due. But actually continuing to pivot through the ball is just not correct by any measure. 2) Actually holding back the un-cocking of the wrists would do nothing for increasing speed and may disrupt the shaft deflection modes.
For three: TrackMan III is a beast - and is little. A little beast.
Planning for AS3 is already being discussed.
That's pretty much how the 2-day Anti-Summit II went on Long Island earlier this week. Six of golf's best scientific minds and 46 golf pros and golf swing theorists listened, questioned, and pondered the science of the golf club and swing, and were treated to a smorgasbord of concepts, answers, and practical application. One day there will be hundreds attending golf's best swing conference, but as of 2011, the D-Plane is just starting to get mentions in the press.
On day one, Steven Nesbit's hub path study was the focus of the first segmen and was followed by Sasho MacKenize's modeling and shaft deflection work, Fredrik Tuxen's ball collision and ball flight research and application. Paul Wood fielded every sort of question about the club's role and reaction to all of these forces thrust upon it, and Rob Neal discussed the bio-mechanical phases of the downswing. Aaron Zick's ever upgraded model answered some great questions, and the open forum could have lasted well into the night.
Day 2 featured my latest presentation given some upgrades with Fredrik Tuxen doing the ball-flight portion and Mike Jacobs expertly tackling the forces on the club segment. I went out with the attendees in the rain, and Tuxen fired up the brand new TrackMan III for some one of kind live lesson deconstruction by yours truly.
What did I learn new?
For one: How far in front of the curve we are by hanging around such brilliant people like the panelists.
For two: 1) How the data, the math, the scientists, common sense, and several peer reviewed research studies show how there absolutely is a deceleration phase in the pelvis, the trunk, and the arms pre-impact. One day there may be a different way to display the "kinematic sequence" as the planes of motion of the segments get their just due. But actually continuing to pivot through the ball is just not correct by any measure. 2) Actually holding back the un-cocking of the wrists would do nothing for increasing speed and may disrupt the shaft deflection modes.
For three: TrackMan III is a beast - and is little. A little beast.
Planning for AS3 is already being discussed.
James Marshall (Hogan1953)
New member
Brian,
Has your suggestion before ASII that the kinematic sequence is a reaction to the forces applied to the club in the transition changed as a consequence of what was discussed this week? Thanks.
Has your suggestion before ASII that the kinematic sequence is a reaction to the forces applied to the club in the transition changed as a consequence of what was discussed this week? Thanks.
Brian Manzella
Administrator
It is still just a hypothesis that the golfer's intent will change their kinematics.
But, I when asked, no scientist has disagreed with it.
The only biomechanists that were in attendance were also on the panel—Dr. Rob Neal and Dr. Sasho MacKenzie—and they both thought my story about the Diet Mountain Dew bottle (told on here before) would produce different kinematics.
To clarify, we have not come to any real conclusions on biomechanics other than utilizing the POSITIONAL 3D data from several models. But we plan this year to have a equal statement/theory on how to use the body like we now do with a very solid "how to move the club."
We stated before the conference that we still are waiting for more information on the decel phase.
We have enough now to be 80% sure.
After we personally dive into the pivot like we dove into the arms, hands, wrists and club, we will be right there at 95% like the forces science.
Brian Manzella
Administrator
He was always a maybe, and was going to be an attendee, not a panelist.
Michael Finney
New
Chris's wife is expecting soon - he had to pass in the end
Brian Manzella
Administrator
Here is possibly the best review of them all....
Dear Brian,
Once again you push the parameters of education and take us to a another level of knowledge.
Your enthusiasm and entertaiment is second to none and you are really gaining steam on your peers in the top ten teachers in the U.S.—yes Brian you are really that good.
The Anti-Summit is a must for all people who take teaching seriously and it was a privilege to attend and watch a master in action. Wishing you and your family a happy Christmas.
Kind Regards,
Reeves Weedon
Dear Brian,
Once again you push the parameters of education and take us to a another level of knowledge.
Your enthusiasm and entertaiment is second to none and you are really gaining steam on your peers in the top ten teachers in the U.S.—yes Brian you are really that good.
The Anti-Summit is a must for all people who take teaching seriously and it was a privilege to attend and watch a master in action. Wishing you and your family a happy Christmas.
Kind Regards,
Reeves Weedon
Brian Manzella
Administrator
and another one...
Just to thank you for a great summit.
I would also like to thank M J and M F for all the work they did behind the scenes.
The panelist of experts made a great job answering and explaining everything.
And you Brian are the most knowledgeable and most enthusiastic teacher i have ever meet and i have meet some of the best in the game.
Wishing you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
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Best regards,
Leslie Cain
Just to thank you for a great summit.
I would also like to thank M J and M F for all the work they did behind the scenes.
The panelist of experts made a great job answering and explaining everything.
And you Brian are the most knowledgeable and most enthusiastic teacher i have ever meet and i have meet some of the best in the game.
Wishing you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year.
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Best regards,
Leslie Cain
Michael Jacobs
Super Moderator
Anti Summit Review - Michael Jacobs
2011 Anti Summit Review: Michael Jacobs
Our Country Club and Explosive Golf School hosted the 2nd Annual Anti Summit on December 5th & 6th 2011. As always, it was great to see old friends and new faces and I very proud of my good friend Brian Manzella.
The addition of Dr Steven Nesbit and Fredrik Tuxen made the Anti Summit 2 one of the best conferences that I have attended. There might not be anyone better at math than Fredrik
and there is no-one better at solving or reporting than Dr Nesbit. I am not sure that these two men realize what they have contributed to the study and application of this game.
Dr Sasho Mackenzie should receive a lot of credit for his presentation style and his shaft deflection work. Very useful in everyday golf instruction...
Dr's Paul Wood, Aaron Zick, and Rob Neal served their second tour on the Anti Summit panel and did a nice job as always.
Trackman 3 was unleashed and demoed on the range, very impressive with its small size and built in video. I enjoyed my meals and conversations with Fredirik and his sharing of knowledge, even though I serve as Flightscope's top ambassador the quest for knowledge and expertise is welcomed by all parties just like when Brian Manzella attended our Flightscope Convention.
The Summit went smooth, the food according to Rick Dandy was like a 'wedding,' and the information divulged this past fall in the 'Release Thread' was a hot topic of discussion. The top 3 discussions were:
1. Well timed release
2. The D plane with an added focus on off center hits
3. The usefulness of the Kinematic Sequence
What I get a kick out of the most, is the kinematic sequence quibbles in the industry. The typical downswing is .25 seconds and all scientists provide a consensus that there is not sufficient time to change anything once the downswing has begun. The golfer is equipped with only the intent on how they are going to deliver the club and their body will achieve reasonable movements therein. Any argument on the contrary can only come from someone who DOES NOT make their living teaching golfers.
MJ
2011 Anti Summit Review: Michael Jacobs
Our Country Club and Explosive Golf School hosted the 2nd Annual Anti Summit on December 5th & 6th 2011. As always, it was great to see old friends and new faces and I very proud of my good friend Brian Manzella.
The addition of Dr Steven Nesbit and Fredrik Tuxen made the Anti Summit 2 one of the best conferences that I have attended. There might not be anyone better at math than Fredrik
and there is no-one better at solving or reporting than Dr Nesbit. I am not sure that these two men realize what they have contributed to the study and application of this game. Dr Sasho Mackenzie should receive a lot of credit for his presentation style and his shaft deflection work. Very useful in everyday golf instruction...
Dr's Paul Wood, Aaron Zick, and Rob Neal served their second tour on the Anti Summit panel and did a nice job as always.
Trackman 3 was unleashed and demoed on the range, very impressive with its small size and built in video. I enjoyed my meals and conversations with Fredirik and his sharing of knowledge, even though I serve as Flightscope's top ambassador the quest for knowledge and expertise is welcomed by all parties just like when Brian Manzella attended our Flightscope Convention.
The Summit went smooth, the food according to Rick Dandy was like a 'wedding,' and the information divulged this past fall in the 'Release Thread' was a hot topic of discussion. The top 3 discussions were:
1. Well timed release
2. The D plane with an added focus on off center hits
3. The usefulness of the Kinematic Sequence
What I get a kick out of the most, is the kinematic sequence quibbles in the industry. The typical downswing is .25 seconds and all scientists provide a consensus that there is not sufficient time to change anything once the downswing has begun. The golfer is equipped with only the intent on how they are going to deliver the club and their body will achieve reasonable movements therein. Any argument on the contrary can only come from someone who DOES NOT make their living teaching golfers.
MJ
Rick Dandy
New
2011 Anti Summit Review: Michael Jacobs
Our Country Club and Explosive Golf School hosted the 2nd Annual Anti Summit on December 5th & 6th 2011. As always, it was great to see old friends and new faces and I very proud of my good friend Brian Manzella.
The addition of Dr Steven Nesbit and Fredrik Tuxen made the Anti Summit 2 one of the best conferences that I have attended. There might not be anyone better at math than Fredrik
Dr Sasho Mackenzie should receive a lot of credit for his presentation style and his shaft deflection work. Very useful in everyday golf instruction...
Dr's Paul Wood, Aaron Zick, and Rob Neal served their second tour on the Anti Summit panel and did a nice job as always.
Trackman 3 was unleashed and demoed on the range, very impressive with its small size and built in video. I enjoyed my meals and conversations with Fredirik and his sharing of knowledge, even though I serve as Flightscope's top ambassador the quest for knowledge and expertise is welcomed by all parties just like when Brian Manzella attended our Flightscope Convention.
The Summit went smooth, the food according to Rick Dandy was like a 'wedding,' and the information divulged this past fall in the 'Release Thread' was a hot topic of discussion. The top 3 discussions were:
1. Well timed release
2. The D plane with an added focus on off center hits
3. The usefulness of the Kinematic Sequence
What I get a kick out of the most, is the kinematic sequence quibbles in the industry. The typical downswing is .25 seconds and all scientists provide a consensus that there is not sufficient time to change anything once the downswing has begun. The golfer is equipped with only the intent on how they are going to deliver the club and their body will achieve reasonable movements therein. Any argument on the contrary can only come from someone who DOES NOT make their living teaching golfers.
MJ
MJ is spot on. Over many dinners with Mr. Venturi, he saw the backswing, the intent of the golfer delivering the club, wherein lay most, if not all mistakes.
Unique Game
Here is my little take on the Summit on the Isle! First of all, I gained 10 lbs. just in the food. Those who attended know what I am talking about. As far as the Summit itself, I can't express how fortunate we are to have a truly unique opportunity to be on the cutting edge. I have been lucky enough to have attended several of the Manzella events and what impresses me the most is passion for knowledge they all have. If you have a thirst for knowledge or just enjoy the idea of hanging out with others that share the quest of better information, then you owe it to yourself to attend one of these events. If you are not able to then I would strongly recommend getting the video Brian is putting together. Opportunities like this don't just happen all the time. I, for one, want to thank Brian, his entire team as well as the panelists that so openly shared their tireless work with all that attended. Now it is off to the gym to work off the buffet! Merry Christmas to all and to all a good d-plane! PS. If you see Santa, remind him about my TrackMan I asking for!
Here is my little take on the Summit on the Isle! First of all, I gained 10 lbs. just in the food. Those who attended know what I am talking about. As far as the Summit itself, I can't express how fortunate we are to have a truly unique opportunity to be on the cutting edge. I have been lucky enough to have attended several of the Manzella events and what impresses me the most is passion for knowledge they all have. If you have a thirst for knowledge or just enjoy the idea of hanging out with others that share the quest of better information, then you owe it to yourself to attend one of these events. If you are not able to then I would strongly recommend getting the video Brian is putting together. Opportunities like this don't just happen all the time. I, for one, want to thank Brian, his entire team as well as the panelists that so openly shared their tireless work with all that attended. Now it is off to the gym to work off the buffet! Merry Christmas to all and to all a good d-plane! PS. If you see Santa, remind him about my TrackMan I asking for!
drewyallop
New
I have emailed a request for the download links but have had no response. Segment 1 did not download properly and segment 2 or 3 froze half way through. Could you send me the links again please?
Brian Manzella
Administrator
email request to brian@brianmanzella.com
drewyallop
New
Thanks Brian.
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