One of the best summaries of the swing.....

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The best way I can summarize the swing in general is this.....

Use the base of your right hand to extend your left during the entire motion. As Doyle says, the right hand is always pushing.

Your right palm should feel as if it is tracing the inside rim of a wheel, the hub is the top of your spine/base of your neck, and your wrists are the other end of the spoke. The hub turns the wheel, as you feel like you are using the palm/base of the right hand to swing/drag the knuckles of your left hand along the inside rim of the wheel. The wheel, and you, should remain in perfect balance. Spin the wheel with your belly. Post impact, allow the forearms to rotate and feel the back of the left hand ride the inside of the rim. Always in balance, always feeling the 'swinging' of the clubhead, always focused on 'target'.

If you are not in balance, you are not swinging well.

Understand this, and understand pressure points. See my posts re: the EdZ drills.

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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

The best way I can summarize the swing in general is this.....

Use the base of your right hand to extend your left during the entire motion. As Doyle says, the right hand is always pushing.

Your right palm should feel as if it is tracing the inside rim of a wheel, the hub is the top of your spine/base of your neck, and your wrists are the other end of the spoke. The hub turns the wheel, as you feel like you are using the palm/base of the right hand to swing/drag the knuckles of your left hand along the inside rim of the wheel. The wheel, and you, should remain in perfect balance. Spin the wheel with your belly. Post impact, allow the forearms to rotate and feel the back of the left hand ride the inside of the rim. Always in balance, always feeling the 'swinging' of the clubhead, always focused on 'target'.

If you are not in balance, you are not swinging well.

Understand this, and understand pressure points. See my posts re: the EdZ drills.

Copyright EdZ 2004 [8D]
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Nice... I love those Pressure Points. The swing can always be brought back to the HANDS .... its ALWAYS the HANDS.
 
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Edz, are you the same person who did not agree or get the thought of the sweet spot being a pinpoint and if one hung a plumb bob from the grip end it would pass through the sweet spot? Then if you feel the clubhead you are actually feeling the sweet spot?

Trying to keep my scorecard in order. It can become quite confusing due to my density.

Thanks

golfingrandy
 
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EdZ

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ragman - any links? I have seen other 'wheel' drills/images, but none that combine all the pieces as well as my post.
 
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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

ragman - any links?
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Nope.
Baker-Hoola-Hoop.jpg
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quote:I have seen other 'wheel' drills/images, but none that combine all the pieces as well as my post.
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Weren't you just chastising Brian for taking pieces from others and making them his own?
 
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Well after viewing Ben's tape, then Brian's tape..... that part is clear.

Now - re: my drill - have you ever seen this complete a description? Show me where Baker talks about the rest?

And if you want to be picky - Baker got it from Snead (or any number of others who use a 'wheel' image).
 
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Oh my gosh!!!!

ragman your pictures with the hula hoops brought a big smile to my face and left zero doubt that once again, ideas derived from the golfing machine have once again been nabbed and used by others. I in know way mean for this statement to be taken as if someone stole something. This is not the case at all. LOL!!! Very neat!

If there is any interest I would be more than happy to share the thoughts of this drill as explained to me by a person who attended Homer's first class.

Brian, not sure if you would like me to put the thoughts of the hoop here especially with how murky this thread is becoming. Up to you. I will follow your lead.
 
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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Well after viewing Ben's tape, then Brian's tape..... that part is clear.

Now - re: my drill - have you ever seen this complete a description? Show me where Baker talks about the rest?
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And you said Brian had an ego...

You don't get the point.

I repeat: "Weren't you just chastising Brian for taking pieces from others and making them his own?"

It's kind of funny that this was part of my post you chose not to respond to...
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And if you want to be picky - Baker got it from Snead (or any number of others who use a 'wheel' image).
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And Hogan...
quote:Originally posted by dude

If there is any interest I would be more than happy to share the thoughts of this drill as explained to me by a person who attended Homer's first class.
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Would love to hear it, Randy.

And, for the record, Baker is a "big fan" of the book (TGM)...
 
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First, I feel like I jacked a thread and for that, sorry. Following is a conversation that I had with the before mentioned person.

Randy, "I see that one of your practice aids is a hula hoop. Could you tell me what it is used for and what one would be trying to accomplish."

AI, "The hula Hoop is to show the student the rotating of the shoulders on the down swing with the right shoulder rotating inside of the Hula hoop. The idea is to hold the hoop and simulate a pivot into the shot and develop the feel of turning the right shoulder under and online with the tilted hoop."

Randy, "So the hula hoop would be an aid for the golfer who struggles with not being able to get their shoulders under control and who needs help in getting, the right especially, down on plane. Would this not parallel the thinking of the following statements?

"Bob Bush states, "The right shoulder delivers up to 70% of the swings force. This is why it's so important for the right shoulder to travel down plane to impact. As the left shoulder moves up plane, see the left shoulder as a guide, for the right shoulder in the downswing."

Homer makes the statement, "If you have never stood in an incline plane with a hole in it and move a club on it, you cannot believe that it goes through the waist and that the right shoulder stays right on that same plane. The right shoulder stays on the same plane as the clubshaft and hands for quite a ways. It should be on the same plane until after impact. From the top through start down the right shoulder should stay on plane as that of the hands. It is inconceivable to most people until they stand inside an inclined plane."

First couple of paragraphs of 7-13 in TGM."

AI, "You are right on track. My thinking of the hula hoop is to hold it with the hands on any desired angle to facilitate the plane angle. Then as you are holding it standing in front of a mirror, watch and see if your right shoulder is turning on the same plane. That simple. Waist bend (hip bend) is important to comply with the length of club it is to comply with."

Randy, "I'm a little dense so please help to understand how to hold the hoop. Are you saying to hold the hoop with the left hand at the angle you desire and a club with the right and then swing from address to top and back down monitoring hands and shoulder?"

AI, "No. Visualize, even though you are holding the hoop with both hands, as you rotate the shoulders the hands and arms are rotating also but the hula hoop is rotating but not moving from the point in space from which it started, unless you are getting off plane. The off plane motion will be either by the hoop itself, the shoulders or by moving the head. You do not need a club for we are desiring to educate the hands and shoulders per 7-13, 5-0."

You can see that, when I saw the hula hoop pictures above, why I smiled real big and chuckled. Had a mini flashback to the above conversation. So, I hope you enjoyed it and gained something that will help with your game.

Sorry for length and the thread jack.

golfingrandy
 
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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Well after viewing Ben's tape, then Brian's tape..... that part is clear.

Now - re: my drill - have you ever seen this complete a description? Show me where Baker talks about the rest?

And if you want to be picky - Baker got it from Snead (or any number of others who use a 'wheel' image).
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Actually, without being picky, Robert Baker spent considerable time with Mike Austin.
 
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Ragman - my point was that I HAVE seen exact descriptions of most of the things Brian says - but I have NEVER seen anyone sum up the swing as well as my post, and the "EdZ" Drill posted a while back.

As I have said, many, many times - there are quite a few people who know what the swing is all about. It isn't rocket science, it is basic physics. Austin is certainly one of them, as is Brian, and myself, and many on this board (including you, from what I have seen).

As Brian and others have observed - it is how you get the key parts across to others so they 'get it'.

Brian's earlier posts claimed he was 'the best of all time'.... to which I disagreed, and demonstrated why I felt that way by showing that the pieces of the puzzle have been known for quite a long time. He would post about the pieces, but never describe the picture.

TGM is all about the pieces of that puzzle, and the pictures you can create with them. Those that fit, and those that don't.

I most certainly hope that the picture I have given in my post is one that will help people play better golf. If people find this helpful (and I suspect they will), then I am happy to help.

Randy - thanks for your posts, not a threadjack at all. We are all on this board to share what we know, and help each other play this game we all love better.
 
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