Nicklaus won his first Masters playing a fade, but realized the course was better played with a draw. So each year, a month before the Masters he would convert himself to a drawer. He won all subsequent 5 Masters hitting the draw as the primary shot. This comes from his official biography.
one of the greatest quote from Lee Trevino or what
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Kevin Shields
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Typical. Snead finished second a number of times and his ballstriking was totally suited for the Open setup. Trevino's game was non adaptable to Augusta
Trevino said it, not me. Snead didn't win the Open but is still considered a great player. What's typical about that? Just the way it is.
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drewyallop
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Could be a class thing for both Snead and Trevino. I heard Lee changed his shoes in the Augusta parking lot. And what about VJ after winning: "kiss my f...king ass.
I was a friend of someone who knew the first token black member at Augusta. Every time he played he brought three black guests. The white breads were spinning.
That's true according to Trevino he used to have his dinner with the caddies at Augusta for that reason, and before someone gets all worked up, Trevino said this in an interview.
Lee Buck grew up with a grudge against "privileged types". It became a chip on his shoulder after he became famous in golf circles. Cliff Roberts attempted to ameliorate their differences once by inviting him for coffee. He said "tell Mr. Roberts I don't drink coffee". He claims the right to left shot was not the problem but that he could never hit the ball high enough to play Augusta. But hell he won at Merion and at Oak Hill beating Jack both times. The lightening strike hurt a lot. In 75 he was in his prime; said he could never practice the way he used to after that? But with 30 wins, 6 of them majors, he does go into the great category I suppose. And remember in 1971 he won three national opens in three weeks, US, British and Canadian. That alone might be hall worthy! As for being self taught, I think obsession might have more to do with it. He said from the time he joined the Marines until he got out on tour, he used to have a golf club in his hands 15/16 hours a day!
Kevin Shields
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He couldve had dinner with the caddies, dessert with the grounds crew and a night cap with the valets but it still wouldnt bring his ball flight up enough to play the course.
He's in the great category for certain but I still believe to be one of the top elite ballstrikers you should be able to adjust for all conditions. Azinger was a premier ballstriker who was handicapped by the same things.
Nicklaus..."Anyone can hit it low"
He's in the great category for certain but I still believe to be one of the top elite ballstrikers you should be able to adjust for all conditions. Azinger was a premier ballstriker who was handicapped by the same things.
Nicklaus..."Anyone can hit it low"
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birly-shirly
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Kevin - do you think there's still a premium at that level on being able to hit long irons that high, or would a natural lowball hitter get enough help out of using hybrids or lofted woods. Is there a trade off - assuming that you're hitting to the green from the same spot?
He built his swing to make money never dreaming he'd play on tour, you can count on that. Ask Ray Floyd about that. In west Texas you make money hitting it LOW. Kite, Crenshaw, Leonard all said they had to learn to hit it higher when they got on tour. But a lot of Texas guys have won Augusta. I think carry has a more to do with it than low/high. There are places where low ball hitters hit into those banks. As pure a striker as he was ( followed him at Oak Hill in 68 never saw anybody hit it better), he was not long. At all. That hurt in the Masters too. As to all conditions I agree Kevin. That is why only 5 guys have won the slam...BTW I caddied for Trevino once and he said he didn't fade it. "I push it" he said.
The dinner thing was a different issue than playing the course... get it. That's what I said Trevino was great, but now it's top elite ball strikers, you changed the game in mid stream, tricky but doesn't matter Trevino was great and that's what I said. I like Nicklaus. Azinger was handicapped by his grip...lol. I talked to him and his coach Redman at the buick Inv. Azinger told me when I asked him what his no 1 thing in his swing was..... hip turn! His coach confirmed it. Just a feel I'm guessing. Redman was just a super guy very nice as was Azinger.
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I know John and he IS a great guy. Actually Paul had two thoughts: finish "knuckles up" and turn through like mad! Not a grip or method i like, but He won 10 times on tour and a major. Not real shabby...
Kevin Shields
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Well, I personally think they're all wonderful ballstrikers. Old, modern, in between. I watched Andy North do a clinic and he never seemed to miss a shot so who knows?
I agree their all good, you have to have something to make any tour, my favourite event in sports that I ever went to is a Pga tour event especially the pro am when you can talk to a few of the players, hate to say it but better than an NHL playoff game for me personally and I love hockey.
Lindsey Newman
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Trevino's golf swing was incredible. No matter what we learn about release or anything else, I still love the way he looked through the ball and post impact. It just screamed pure.
Kevin Shields
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Unless we can measure it, how do we know he didnt do some of what is being discussed? Hmm...Hmm?
You've probably all heard this one but I'll share the short version. Ray Floyd went to Texas cause he heard there was a Mexican kid who played for a lot of money. They played, Floyd shoots like 64/65. Trevino shoots 63. Something like that... anyway Lee wins the cash and Floyd says I want a chance to go again, win some money back. Trevinos reply: "I'd love to but first I gotta wash all the carts and put em away"! There are versions of this but it was told to me by Rays father in law in a bar in Atlantic City.
I just loved the loop. It seemed like he dropped it in so perfect, he could never miss! And when I caddied for him in an exhibition, he didn't miss. But lime Kevin said, if you're winning national opens you're not missing it much...
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The version I read is that Floyd won by one shot, after eagling the 36th hole and shooting two rounds in the mid 60's. They asked him if he wanted a rematch and he said "Screw you guys, I'm going back on tour where I can find an easier game".
The version I read is that Floyd won by one shot, after eagling the 36th hole and shooting two rounds in the mid 60's. They asked him if he wanted a rematch and he said "Screw you guys, I'm going back on tour where I can find an easier game".
That's the same one I read.
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