If I remember physics class centrifugal force is exactly matched by cetripetal force in a stable rotating system. The equation for centripetal force required to maintain a circle is m*v**2/r. Seems to me when you are swinging you have a large radius system (arms) which gets the mass moving, then when the wrist downcocks you have this speed loaded into a smaller circle (wrist), which means v (velocity) will increase (r is smaller, and angular momentum is conserved).
Opening the centrifugal debate again....
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Good job, njmp2, on your explanation of a "fictitious" force. Yes, I do get it, along with the late Albert Einstein and a little outfit called NASA.
Now, if the golf swing is a rotating frame of reference, would centrifugal force be acting on only the clubhead or the whole club? I know that on my best swings, about half way down, the clubhead seems to take over the swing and I feel I'm just along for the ride trying to hold on to the club.
Now, if the golf swing is a rotating frame of reference, would centrifugal force be acting on only the clubhead or the whole club? I know that on my best swings, about half way down, the clubhead seems to take over the swing and I feel I'm just along for the ride trying to hold on to the club.
The whole club. In fact CF acts more on the shaft then the clubhead. You should be feeling that the hands are still in front of the clubhead. You might have some clubhead throwaway if you are feeling that the clubhead is taken over half way down.
Since we are and hopefully stopped talking about CF, it means we are using it the release the clubhead in a swinging pattern. To simplify, you need to swing the hands to your aiming point (past center of body for most) and let CF release the club (use the whole club to hit the ball) and clubhead at impact like a flail or gad I hate saying this, a whip, if that image works. Still need to keep the ryhthm intact and not let the body or arms move out of place.
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yawn !
hahaha, and you started this too Mathew. hahahaha
People are here to learn and are rarely degraded for making a mistake. But attitude and arrogance are primed for attack and rightfully so.
Thank God Centrifugal Force exists. I was thinking that TGMers were so special that they could call upon fictitious forces nobody else could.
Rats, maybe that would have been fun.
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yawn !
hahaha, and you started this too Mathew. hahahaha
People are here to learn and are rarely degraded for making a mistake. But attitude and arrogance are primed for attack and rightfully so.
Thank God Centrifugal Force exists. I was thinking that TGMers were so special that they could call upon fictitious forces nobody else could.
Rats, maybe that would have been fun.
All of the above responses could have been made without the personal attacks on Ringer. These attacks only have a negative effect on this forum. I am off to Chuck's forum where one can learn without having to endure childish pissing matches. [V]
I was being facetious when I said "absolutely infallible" because of your attitude about proving me wrong about space shuttles. Just as I was being facetious about programming a VCR without any bicycle building knowlege. I'm sorry you had trouble noticing that.
Please can you SHOW me what your describing about the hands traveling straighter. I have not once seen it but I have seen the arc of the clubhead travel straighter. I also wasn't aware that the hands ever reached the ball. They certainly travel in an arc around the axis of your swing, but I have never seen them on a path to the ball before.
It is a fictitious force because it isn't a true force?
I guess you're having a tough time grappling with fiction and truth. My explanation is hardly from sloppy as it is the very explanation given to me by the Professor at Idaho State University.
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yawn !
hahaha, and you started this too Mathew. hahahaha
People are here to learn and are rarely degraded for making a mistake. But attitude and arrogance are primed for attack and rightfully so.
Totally agree with this...
Im just getting tired of David Alford, Ringer and Edz (to a lesser extent) making these types of comments... People only jump on them because of this type of snippy comment or putting forward in their stuff in a completely arrogant tone which often is just junk. Listening to them often could be likened listening to nails scratching a blackboard.
If everybody just had the attitude that the forum was for fun and 'fun' discussion - we would all get along better.
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quote:Originally posted by Mathew
yawn !
hahaha, and you started this too Mathew. hahahaha
People are here to learn and are rarely degraded for making a mistake. But attitude and arrogance are primed for attack and rightfully so.
Totally agree with this...
Im just getting tired of David Alford, Ringer and Edz (to a lesser extent) making these types of comments... People only jump on them because of this type of snippy comment or putting forward in their stuff in a completely arrogant tone which often is just junk. Listening to them often could be likened listening to nails scratching a blackboard.
If everybody just had the attitude that the forum was for fun and 'fun' discussion - we would all get along better.
Sorry My comment to Mathew was that HE STARTED this THREAD, not the 'tude.
I didn't have trouble.
PP3 is on a direct line to the ball. So the hands move in a straighter line than the orbiting clubhead.
A true force is defined by physicists as a force that exists all on its own (didn’t you read this). Gravity exists everywhere. Electromagnetism, the north/south poles exist everywhere. In any condition they exist. Nuclear structure exists at all times. Now, listen here, CF is called a "fictitious force" by physicists not because it is a fallacy or that it doesn’t exist at all, but because it only exists in a rotating condition - which is exactly what a golf swing is, a rotating condition. If this doesn’t make sense then I give up. Maybe somebody else can explain it better.
but you didn't attend the college just chatted with a prof. right?
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quote:Originally posted by Mathew
yawn !
hahaha, and you started this too Mathew. hahahaha
People are here to learn and are rarely degraded for making a mistake. But attitude and arrogance are primed for attack and rightfully so.
Totally agree with this...
Im just getting tired of David Alford, Ringer and Edz (to a lesser extent) making these types of comments... People only jump on them because of this type of snippy comment or putting forward in their stuff in a completely arrogant tone which often is just junk. Listening to them often could be likened listening to nails scratching a blackboard.
If everybody just had the attitude that the forum was for fun and 'fun' discussion - we would all get along better.
How does this post contribute to your version of 'fun' Mathew?
Seems rather hypocritical to me, and quite insulting considering my intention is to help people, including you. You may wish to read your post again and see how it applies to you.
OK... Now back to the 'fun' right Mathew
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quote:Originally posted by Mathew
yawn !
hahaha, and you started this too Mathew. hahahaha
People are here to learn and are rarely degraded for making a mistake. But attitude and arrogance are primed for attack and rightfully so.
Totally agree with this...
Im just getting tired of David Alford, Ringer and Edz (to a lesser extent) making these types of comments... People only jump on them because of this type of snippy comment or putting forward in their stuff in a completely arrogant tone which often is just junk. Listening to them often could be likened listening to nails scratching a blackboard.
If everybody just had the attitude that the forum was for fun and 'fun' discussion - we would all get along better.
How does this post contribute to your version of 'fun' Mathew?
Seems rather hypocritical to me, and quite insulting considering my intention is to help people, including you. You may wish to read your post again and see how it applies to you.
OK... Now back to the 'fun' right Mathew
You did my pet hate of quoting people that have quoted people that have quoted....lol.... doh guess im a hypocrit
oh well...Its all fun Edz
I emphasized show me because I am a visual learner... can you SHOW me what you are talking about? I'm having difficulty with the technical message you are conveying and would have better understanding if you had some illustraion of it.
Please, explain "rotating condition" for me.
Are you saying that any conversation I had with a professor is invalid because I didn't attend that college?
What is interpreted as a "centrifugal force" is the objects inertia, which would cause it to move in a straight line, tangent to the circle, if not for the centripetal force.
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