Optimal Pattern for the Driver....Pattern 13

[dashfan87]

I aim a little aim to counter act the upward moving of the clubhead and i really try to feel like i'm staying behind the ball with enough tilt so that i can hit up on it. I try to envision in my mind's eye that the clubhead is approaching the ball from behind extremely close to the ground so that i can make sure it hits up on it.

Jim, in episode... i dont know, 4 or 5??? anyway in one of the youtubes, brian mentions that he still hits down with driver, because of the shaft bend at impact still makes the head hit up on the ball.

Is this still brians belief? or has he changed his theory, and thoughts on that?

or if brian reads this, you answer

 

[jbrunk]

LOL: They could have said "Pattern X" and everybody would have already contacted paypal to send money.

Why are you here, exactly?

 

[fronesis]

Jim, in episode... i dont know, 4 or 5??? anyway in one of the youtubes, brian mentions that he still hits down with driver, because of the shaft bend at impact still makes the head hit up on the ball.

Is this still brians belief? or has he changed his theory, and thoughts on that?

I know this is directed at Jim, but I think I can answer.

Brian HAS changed his theory/approach here based on Trackman information.

 

[Brian Manzella]

PATTERN 13

The reason I won't discuss it at any length is because it is still under development.

And since I am the only person who knows what it is (no, I don't tell my instructors everything I am working on), I am the only person DOING IT.

This Pittsburgh TOUR STOP was a very good trip for some of my new ideas that were ready for good players.

Some of the stuff I used was PATTERN 13, some was "Baby Fade" without the fade.

It is REALLY GOOD, and if it sounds like I am teasing it, I AM.

I don't have MAGAZINES or TV teasing and promoting, so this is where it is done.

Here are some elements of PATTERN 13 that I am pretty sure will make it to the final project.

1. Not a Flat Shoulder Turn

2. Aim for the Resultant Path

3. FLAT LEFT WRIST to and through the ball (no toss)

4. Multiple Ball Positions

5. More Forward Lean Angle than Down Angle

6. Radius reduction through the ball


That's more than I wanted to say, and to be honest, I don't want to expand on these as of yet.

It just want to STUFF the folks that think it isn't real.

It's real.

 

[Shot Limit]

That's all you had to say B

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Jim, in episode... i dont know, 4 or 5??? anyway in one of the youtubes, brian mentions that he still hits down with driver, because of the shaft bend at impact still makes the head hit up on the ball.

Is this still brians belief? or has he changed his theory, and thoughts on that?

or if brian reads this, you answer

I would have to guess with the advent of trackman; it has changed. In my "perfect world" i would say you would have a flat left wrist with an ascending clubhead at impact measured by a trackman. You can do it with some wrist bend but i firmly believe that is what recently contributed to my hooks with the driver.

So in essence you can still hit up with a flat left wrist.

 

[RASWING]

SDP with the Driver

So guys,
Are you still hitting up with the SDP with the right shoulder going to the ball to produce the desired axis tilt with the toss, while aimed a yard to the right? Or should I use the SDP with the toss and swing and trace a straight plane line ( Swing Plane ) that would have me aiming right and swinging left. I have been running a test with two drivers to produce two different ball flights ( Driver 1 = 46in stiff HL shaft 11 degrees of loft neutral head ball flight High Draw sometimes a hook) ( Driver 2 = 44 in x-stiff shaft 7 degrees of loft 2 degrees open face head over size grip ball flight a rocket head high fade or straight ball with tons of roll but if i dont swing right i get a straight away ball flight with a ball that goes way right) so i have been working on the SDP swinging up and left and have been hitting some long balls in practice i dont like practice on the range as much so I go to the course on slow evenings and use my shag bag of balls and I run the test. But what i have noticed is with driver #2 I still can hit the SDP swing up and left a get a super straight ball that runs but when I hit a slight fade with it is really long like 260yards long with roll. But with Driver 1 i get a high draw with very little run but i carry it about 245 using my GPS tracker. And on flight scope test indoors though. Any thoughts on this post.

 

[savydan]

yep. all we know is it is very close to the center of the matrix, and it has optimized numbers on trackman.

I am especially curious about the possibility of learning the thought process of how one goes from trackman data to actually picking and choosing the physical elements of a swing pattern.

In other words, what goes into the process, rather than just what is the end result.

I woiuld suspect that the knowledge of the process could be applied to other patterns (SD, NHA, etc.) not just a so-called neutral pattern.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I am especially curious about the possibility of learning the thought process of how one goes from trackman data to actually picking and choosing the physical elements of a swing pattern.

In other words, what goes into the process, rather than just what is the end result.

I woiuld suspect that the knowledge of the process could be applied to other patterns (SD, NHA, etc.) not just a so-called neutral pattern.

That knowledge would probably change too much of those type of patterns and could make them ineffective for the purpose they were created for.

 

[savydan]

That knowledge would probably change too much of those type of patterns and could make them ineffective for the purpose they were created for.

I know what you're saying about the patterns on the outside of the matrix. The reference to those was really just one example of my main point.

My point is this: What's the methodology or thought process of building a pattern around Trackman data?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I know what you're saying about the patterns on the outside of the matrix. The reference to those was really just one example of my main point.

My point is this: What's the methodology or thought process of building a pattern around Trackman data?

My assumption would be a neutral path that hits up on the ball significantly, for a driver at least.