Out to right field

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Brian Manzella

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To me if you ENTER at ANY POINT from 3:00 (the back of the ball) toward 5:00 (WAY on the inside aft-quadrant) and you

EXIT

At 9:00...

You are STEERING!!!!

YOU are DRIVING THE CLUBHEAD TOWARD THE GREEN!
 

rundmc

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Brian Manzella said:
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To me if you ENTER at ANY POINT from 3:00 (the back of the ball) toward 5:00 (WAY on the inside aft-quadrant) and you

EXIT

At 9:00...

You are STEERING!!!!

YOU are DRIVING THE CLUBHEAD TOWARD THE GREEN!

Now I'm lost . . . Do you exit at 8:25 or 9:25? Sorry.
 

timm

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rundmc said:
Now I'm lost . . . Do you exit at 8:25 or 9:25? Sorry.

I think he is saying that the clubface hits 3:25 with a straight line so the face would be slightly open by the time you have reached 8:25 the straight line should be closing. This way you are not trying to keep the face going straight at the target in a steering motion. Brain is that right.
Timm
 

rundmc

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timm said:
I think he is saying that the clubface hits 3:25 with a straight line so the face would be slightly open by the time you have reached 8:25 the straight line should be closing. This way you are not trying to keep the face going straight at the target in a steering motion. Brain is that right.
Timm

It may help if we distinguish between where the ClubFACE is pointing and where the ClubHEAD is going.
 
rundmc said:
Now I'm lost . . . Do you exit at 8:25 or 9:25? Sorry.
8:25, you want the path to go inside square inside so the clubhead enters that clock at 3:25, becomes square at the center and is on 6:00, then goes back inside and exits that clock at 8:25
 

rundmc

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shootin4par said:
8:25, you want the path to go inside square inside so the clubhead enters that clock at 3:25, becomes square at the center and is on 6:00, then goes back inside and exits that clock at 8:25

Where is Separation and Low Point in this analogy?
 
BMan got good eyes

Brian Manzella said:
Ask, thebarbartab/leftyNC how good my eyes were when we got indoors and checked his path on the Golftek vs. my observation outside.

20/10

Basically, I was swinging out to left-field (...left-handed). I believe Brian called it 8 degrees inside-out. By the time we got to the simulator the next day I think I was making 6 degrees, then worked until I could produce 2 degrees with a 1 degree open face, which Brian says is ideal. Correct Brian?
 

Jim Kobylinski

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tbarbertab said:
Basically, I was swinging out to left-field (...left-handed). I believe Brian called it 8 degrees inside-out. By the time we got to the simulator the next day I think I was making 6 degrees, then worked until I could produce 2 degrees with a 1 degree open face, which Brian says is ideal. Correct Brian?

on the goltec monitors, roughly 2-3* inside out with a .5-1* open face produces as close to a dead straight shot as possible.

Obviously the hinge action and club you are using can modify the numbers.
 

rundmc

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jim_0068 said:
Draw a curved line starts between 3-4 and ends between 8-9.

That's the "curve" of the clubhead through impact.

Are you saying the clockface is the Ball or the Impact Interval itself?
 
I just know I tried something different and it worked....I hit some balls real well.

I felt:

-like I was swinging (and yes- swinging btw) more out the to the right
-like I was really getting a good sit down in the downswing
-like Trevino or Tiger in the transition (although you say Tiger swings too far to the right....)

But it was only a quick little thing that worked out.....need to fool around with it more.

I'll try to get a video up.

Hooks are the one thing that I'm concerned about actually. I'm usually a fade guy. But we'll see...I like fooling around.
 
rundmc said:
I still need your video though Birdie . . . may have to rethink a bird in the hand being worth to in the bush particularly in the freakin' backyard! Plus you filmed it! You should get in "the business."

Whaaaaa....?
 
All right yall....until tonight I hadn't played any real golf (outside of my backyard) in 2 weeks or so....and hadn't worked on the range for more than a month....

And I'm not gonna post the swing I was talking about (at least not yet) because I fooled around with it a little more and I'm not satisfied with it....

....at least not fully and at least not YET. (will fool around with it more cause I want to understand and be able to execute all kind of different patterns)

...

But this has taught me something very important that I'm incorporating into my real swing...

And hope to post that swing very soon.
 
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This is a usual story for me. Every 6 months I will start trying to think about drawing the ball again, think right field with a lot of hand action, pull the club inside, have way too much shoulder turn and get real flat. Slide hips crossline and get even more inside coming down. Big tospin right hand tennis shot. Short term I'll have real good success for a while and then 2 months later my pull hook has come back with a vengence. Start aligning 20 yards right of the target .. nightmares revisited .. out of control

Then its back to the range and never hook again, taking the club back up the wall and dropping it down on to the back of the ball with the pivot, thinking all lift and no core turn on the backswing and all core turn and no hands on the downswing - going hard left after impact with an open club face. Learning to trust it again. Thats hard because youre so scared of going OOB left you dont want to get left post impact

Its a vicious cycle im just about learning to get out of but it all starts with "swing to right field" for the draw. Id much rather play with a controllable fade, even it means losing a little distance
 
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rundmc

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ThomasTheTank said:
This is a usual story for me. Every 6 months I will start trying to think about drawing the ball again, think right field with a lot of hand action, pull the club inside, have way too much shoulder turn and get real flat. Slide hips crossline and get even more inside coming down. Big tospin right hand tennis shot. Short term I'll have real good success for a while and then 2 months later my pull hook has come back with a vengence. Start aligning 20 yards right of the target .. nightmares revisited .. out of control

Then its back to the range and never hook again, taking the club back up the wall and dropping it down on to the back of the ball with the pivot, thinking all lift and no core turn on the backswing and all core turn and no hands on the downswing - going hard left after impact with an open club face. Learning to trust it again. Thats hard because youre so scared of going OOB left you dont want to get left post impact

Its a vicious cycle im just about learning to get out of but it all starts with "swing to right field" for the draw. Id much rather play with a controllable fade, even it means losing a little distance

Dude it sounds like you have a leakage problem more than a path problem or both. Certainly can tell without seeing it but sounds like it.
 
Brian I think you were right...

I experimented more with this....

And it didn't work that well.

I think she's goin to the scrap pile for now.

:)
 
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