PGA Tour and Strong Grips...They work well

[mrodock]

Good thread

 

[pecky987]

one instructor who need not be named wrote a book about hogan and expressed the opinion that following hogan's lead of playing with bowed left wrist through the ball to cure a hook will actually exaggerate the hook. i think that fits here quite nicely because unless you chicken wing and really lead with the left elbow, bowing the wrist with a strong grip will shut the clubface down which is just what you don't want. doing the opposite and bending the left wrist slightly through impact allows you to keep the left arm on the chest and also keep a hand position that correlates with your strong grip.

you can arch the left wrist with a strong grip and fade it. trevino did.

but then aain he did have forearms like my thighs and, like he says, a "terrific pair of legs so i could get out of the way".

but you can

 

[mrose]

you can arch the left wrist with a strong grip and fade it. trevino did.

but then aain he did have forearms like my thighs and, like he says, a "terrific pair of legs so i could get out of the way".

but you can

i agree with you, that is another way. in relation to that, do you think the position in space of the left elbow and wrist is any different for the strong grip player that chicken wings and someone like trevino who clears aggressively to the left? if you put yourself statically in the position of the left elbow away from body player (chicken wing) and then fill that gap with the body while leaving the elbow out there so the arm is again close to the body, it starts to look a bit trevinoish i find. so, either get that elbow forward independently or use the body to get it there. but make sure you get it there or else you'll have to manipulate the hands or keep your address hands through a bend like Jim suggests.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Arching through the ball will not exaggerate a hook, it opens the face and unless you are already swinging like 10* inside/out it might help keep your draw under control but otherwise it will help make the hook go away in most cases.

The reason i told 300 drive to "Feel like" he was allowing the left wrist to bend more through the ball is because it's an easy tip for a strong gripped player to feel less roll through the ball. Without seeing his swing and/or seeing if he wanted to make some kind of change this was the best i could do.

 

[pecky987]

i agree with you, that is another way. in relation to that, do you think the position in space of the left elbow and wrist is any different for the strong grip player that chicken wings and someone like trevino who clears aggressively to the left? if you put yourself statically in the position of the left elbow away from body player (chicken wing) and then fill that gap with the body while leaving the elbow out there so the arm is again close to the body, it starts to look a bit trevinoish i find. so, either get that elbow forward independently or use the body to get it there. but make sure you get it there or else you'll have to manipulate the hands or keep your address hands through a bend like Jim suggests.

i think i agree with you matthew.

someone with a strong grip has to holds the face open some way. there are different ways of doing it. the most common way i think you see players on tour do it is by hanging back a la rory sabbatini. this again alows the left elbow to face the target a little longer, which i spose yu could say is the ultimate goal of a strong grip player, as if the elbow starts facing down to the ground more, the ball is goin left.

if you watch slo-mo of zach johnson you will see how hard he works to stop the blade turning over. he keeps his left arm almost totally straight after impact. thats one way to do it.
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you can also see how much and how quickly his body turns through the shot. this is something you will see with strong grip players. trevino obviously did it, and duval did it so much, thats why his head turned through so much, so it didnt inhibit his body getting out of the way

 

[mrose]

Arching through the ball will not exaggerate a hook, it opens the face and unless you are already swinging like 10* inside/out it might help keep your draw under control but otherwise it will help make the hook go away in most cases.

The reason i told 300 drive to "Feel like" he was allowing the left wrist to bend more through the ball is because it's an easy tip for a strong gripped player to feel less roll through the ball. Without seeing his swing and/or seeing if he wanted to make some kind of change this was the best i could do.

is that just the reverse of how moving from impact fix to address hands will make the face appear closed?

if so, would the bowing of the wrist suck the club inside, move low point forward, and lead to pushes if the golfer doesn't swing left enough?