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If you'll notice the shoulders stay pretty perpendicular to target. I don't observe a tremendous amount of "Rotational force". I don't think it is as essential as some might think. Another extreme example, and I don't subscribe to it personally, however it seems to work for some, would be Don Trahan's method. Don's son D.J. was an All American at Clemson and he is a PGA tour level player. Reader's Digest view of Don's philosophy; Three quarter arm swing, no rotation, strong pivot.(For those more familiar with Trahan's swing philosophy, I hope my Reader's Digest description does not offend. I only abbreviated for the sake of providing an example. Obviously there is more to it than that!)
My point is," If "Rotational Force" were such an important component of the golf swing, it would transcend thoughout all swings. A lot of different swings on tour, but, they all look relativly the same at/around impact. If "Rotational Force" was an Axiom it would transcend all swings and it would also be apparent in swing derivations, ie. pitches and chips.
EXAMPLE; Is Rotational force existant in great chipping and pitching? No!
Do you apply the three imperative to chipping and pitching? Yes.
My point is," If "Rotational Force" were such an important component of the golf swing, it would transcend thoughout all swings. A lot of different swings on tour, but, they all look relativly the same at/around impact. If "Rotational Force" was an Axiom it would transcend all swings and it would also be apparent in swing derivations, ie. pitches and chips.
EXAMPLE; Is Rotational force existant in great chipping and pitching? No!
Do you apply the three imperative to chipping and pitching? Yes.
Jim Kobylinski
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The picture also shows a "steady head." Notice that the head CAN MOVE, but the at the base of the neck it doesn't. This is what should remain steady.
corky, he sits down on the forward swing. In fact, I have studied his swing many times and very thuroughly through out the years. He actaully moves his head down and back comming into impact... while he gets up on the toes and straightens out his front foot. He is truely BEHIND the ball when he's swinging that driver. He doesn't do it nearly as much with his irons. IMO, this has been one of the things which causes him problems. Sometimes his spine moves just too much.
Mathew.. then this camera is obviously at an angle to the plane. It is not directly overhead in the later pictures.
Mathew.. then this camera is obviously at an angle to the plane. It is not directly overhead in the later pictures.
Brian Manzella
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Tiger SIMPLY does not have his head in the proper position at Address.
He then SEEKS it on the downstroke.
He then SEEKS it on the downstroke.
Brian Manzella
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When you want to cut it, try to NOT roll it open while taking it back a little shorter, then hit it all right arm/right shoulder back.
When you want to hit it straight or draw it, roll it open early, take it back full, unclock first then 'un'-roll/& keep turning through it.
Don't try to get shallow on the downswing either way...just go straight to the ball.
When you want to hit it straight or draw it, roll it open early, take it back full, unclock first then 'un'-roll/& keep turning through it.
Don't try to get shallow on the downswing either way...just go straight to the ball.
Corky - draw that 'line' at impact, and both arms straight for all good players, for all shots. You will see that it is intact, perpendicular to the shoulders at impact, or at worst (or best really), by both arms straight.
Mathew, can you post some impact pics and both arms straight of various people with that line drawn in?
Ed, I don't argue that the shoulders won't be perpendicular. I just happen to believe it is an effect of the momentum down the line and and not a cause of rotation. Contrary to what you might think of me, I'm quite open minded. I watched a lot of great ball strikers sunday to try to see if there was any validity to this rotation and I honestly don't see it.
Great hands create great shots , not great rotation.
Great hands create great shots , not great rotation.
OK Corky - explain to my why YOU think that line is perpendicular. Why is that such a constant among good swings in your view.
I think you are stuck in your view of 'rotation' as being around the spine. I am not talking about 'around the spine' rotation, I am talking about the ON PLANE circle that the HANDS make around the swing center in 3 dimensional space.
I think you are stuck in your view of 'rotation' as being around the spine. I am not talking about 'around the spine' rotation, I am talking about the ON PLANE circle that the HANDS make around the swing center in 3 dimensional space.
Read my post above Ed! Its an effect! If you drive the hands down and past the ball at 115 mph, your body will adjust to support that movement, by seeking stability and balance. That was easy!
You grossly overestimate this rotational component. Do you really think the Pros are out there swinging the club like a "SpinningTop"? I've heard of pivot controlled hands. This must be "Spinning Top" controlled hands?
I thought we were supposed to be Hands controlled pivot? Another reason why this just doesn't add up! Stop the Press! Don't start rewriting the "yellow book", yet!
You grossly overestimate this rotational component. Do you really think the Pros are out there swinging the club like a "SpinningTop"? I've heard of pivot controlled hands. This must be "Spinning Top" controlled hands?
I thought we were supposed to be Hands controlled pivot? Another reason why this just doesn't add up! Stop the Press! Don't start rewriting the "yellow book", yet!
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