"pop out" + Twistaway leads to poor position at top -Then MANZELLA-fixed!
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jenhaoyen
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I have a slightly weak grip and it's hard to even get into the twist away position. And now i tried to slightly neutral strong grip that manzella showed in his videos my ball flight is always really low and most of the time going to the left. It almost makes me want to quit golf.
lookingtolearn
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You may not need the twistaway.
Tom Bartlett
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Twistaway is a fix for slicers.
jenhaoyen
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sad now i dunno how to swing anymore.
jenhaoyen
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gonna try the toss tomorrow instead of..putting too much negative force through the shaft. it's my own fault tho, i don't really slice i just wanted to try different things. Now just hitting alot of thin shots, low flying ball.
here is the video...if anybody want to see what i'm talking about.
This is a 52 wedge shot.
on the top of the swing that's how much my wrist can bend, there is no way i could bend the shaft or wrist even more on the downswing.
I also feel like my hands are getting higher..and i'm not sure why.
here is the video...if anybody want to see what i'm talking about.
This is a 52 wedge shot.
on the top of the swing that's how much my wrist can bend, there is no way i could bend the shaft or wrist even more on the downswing.
I also feel like my hands are getting higher..and i'm not sure why.
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Deadly_Scope
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I used to have a what you might call a 'flat' left wrist (as in being inline with the left forearm) at the top of the backstroke but nowadays I use a far more dynamic model which is just as easy to do but certainly harder to grasp conceptually and also ties into other factors.
The left arm remaining straight has nothing to do with wrist motions...
The left arm remaining straight has nothing to do with wrist motions...
jenhaoyen
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could you post more details on the dynamic model?
jenhaoyen,
Your left hand thumb is place wrongly....
You have the pad of your thumb on the grip, instead of the bone of the first knuckle, joint...the tip of your thumb should point up, away from the grip when you have it correctly placed (the thumb forms a "C" shape).....
The wasy you have it now causes movement of the grip in your fingers at the top, when the weight is on your thumb....
Your left hand thumb is place wrongly....
You have the pad of your thumb on the grip, instead of the bone of the first knuckle, joint...the tip of your thumb should point up, away from the grip when you have it correctly placed (the thumb forms a "C" shape).....
The wasy you have it now causes movement of the grip in your fingers at the top, when the weight is on your thumb....
jenhaoyen
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I don't know what it is, but when i have my thumb grip the way you told me, my hands are in the right position on top instead of way high. I'll try it on the range once my thumb heals.
jen,
the middle thumb joint.... also press the left side of it up against the side of the knuckle of your first finger (i.e. totally close the webbing between thumb and finger), and keep it there throughout the swing...
The weight of the club at the top is strongly on that thumb and has a tendency to try to open the webbing....
the middle thumb joint.... also press the left side of it up against the side of the knuckle of your first finger (i.e. totally close the webbing between thumb and finger), and keep it there throughout the swing...
The weight of the club at the top is strongly on that thumb and has a tendency to try to open the webbing....
Deadly_Scope
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Ok this is a very very cutdown version which I hope might give a little insight as to why I have chosen this as my procedure.
Basically from a conceptual standpoint most people try to use two motions - turning/rolling + cocking/uncocking which is fine provided the procedure accommodates it. That statement isn't entirely accurate but a good enough simplification for our purposes.
I use the third motion of bending/arching.
At the top of the backstroke I turn the hand so its on the plane rather than having the hand offplane inline with the left forearm. When the left hand is aligned to the plane the left wrist is bent by the degree that the left arm enters the plane. I can do this is because I accelerate the entire left arm and club maintaining its vertical to the plane alignment at start up, that motion creates a pressure in my hands that I can just release to create the orbit which dictates those wrist conditions that I move into.
When you preform the downstroke, the position of the clubhead orbit around the left wrist center creates the wrist conditions - just by rolling the hand back to vertical to the plane for impact - what was wristbend will become wristcock, what was wristcock will make the wrist arch.
At impact my wrist will be arched because my hand is vertical to the plane - my pivot creates the orbit which will hit the ball before low point.
Sounds complicated but very natural and simple to preform.
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jenhaoyen
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nice i'll try that.
REport: I went to the range and i notice that i have try too hard to get into the position of impact ie hands infront. I always take a big divot and the ball flight is still very low and i wasn't hitting fat. but everything was going straight. I feel like i was hitting the ball intentionally. So then i tried to relax and just release the club more. bang higher ball flight. Some how I felt like Phil Mickelson's release. It felt good. Will do some more report later.
jenhaoyen
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thats how concentrating on forward hands isnt always a good thing and focussing on straighten the right wrist through impact can be a VERY good thing. how do i know? cos i tried it.
i ill post video soon, but i've been back on the range and hitting it great with a SD pivot and an actively straightened right wrist which i never thought woul be a good thing
jenhaoyen
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do you have any idea..about the thumb stretching out? I think that's a big issue for me. i can hit punch well chipping well, just not a full shot due to thumb position at the top.
on the top of the swing i also feel like my right pinky falls right off my left hand.
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i'd suggest a 'long' left thumb. when you take your left hand grip, have the end of your thumb not be too close to your left forefinger.
basically, have your thumb in the position it looks like at the end of your video, at address. this will enable you to support the shaft at the top
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