Putting at the Putting Zone

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bcoak

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Tom,
I know you were trying the SBST method of Geoff M. and was wondering how it is working out.
I have decided to commit to his methods (cutting my center shafted putter to 30" tonight) so would love to hear some of the things you have learned. Always good to hear other peoples interpretation.
Homerson, would also love to hear some of your thoughts as well.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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bcoak said:
Tom,
I know you were trying the SBST method of Geoff M. and was wondering how it is working out.
I have decided to commit to his methods (cutting my center shafted putter to 30" tonight) so would love to hear some of the things you have learned. Always good to hear other peoples interpretation.
Homerson, would also love to hear some of your thoughts as well.

SBST works great, you just have to have a putter spec'd out to putt that way and the least amount of angle of the shaft from the head from 90* if that makes sense. USGA has a mimimum standard that has to be met.
 
SBST??

I have spent some time on Geoff's site recently - have not seen a reference to SBST - what does it stand for? I am guessing "Shoulder Back Shoulder Thru" but that could be way off.

As I have been having a terrible year with putting consistancy, I switched last weekend to a face balanced TM Corza Monza. For most of the year I have been using a SC Newport 2 or a SC Belly with mixed results.

I set my hands 'higher' (to sole the Monza properly) which firmed my wrists, then worked on sending the putter face square to line thru the impact area by stroking only with the shoulders. Lots of good rolls and made 6 3 & 4 footers for 2nd putts + 2 birdies from outside 15 feet + 1 birdie from 3 feet and 1 from 6 feet. Only misses on 'makables' were 1 from 4 feet (3 putt) and 1 birdie putt from 10 feet. All told 5 birdies and even par round. Total of 33 putts, but I hit solid putts where I aimed, so I consider it a success.

I hope I am on to something - if anyone has anything to add on Geoff's putting technique, I am all ears (or should it be eyes). My average score for the year is 72.1 with an average of 33.8 putts per round - with any putting improvement, I can certainly lower my average score.

By the way, I have been spending a lot of time on this site (as well as Lynn's) and have learned a lot from both - am currently striking it very well.

Bruce
 
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blehnhard said:
I have spent some time on Geoff's site recently - have not seen a reference to SBST - what does it stand for? I am guessing "Shoulder Back Shoulder Thru" but that could be way off.
Bruce

SBST = Straight Back, Straight Through
 

bcoak

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SBST

Technically, Geoff wants you to putt in a vertical plane, most likely resulting in a SBST stroke. He is really concerned about having the clubface square into and thru the hitting area.
Brian, I hope its OK discussing this here.
 
Even though I consider myself an excellent putter, I have always done quite a bit of experimentation with different putting styles. I find I can put well with all of them, but there are one or two that work best. Selecting the style of putter can be confusing, considering all the different types available these days, and they all claim to be the best. It seems to me that all putters have design characteristics that promote certain advantages, but none of them can be perfect in all aspects. Recently I have just become aware of a new putter that has just come on the market that claims to be perfectly balanced, but I am skeptical. Is anyone here familiar with this company? www.quantumputters.com They have a fairly thorough website, but, imo, they could have included more product photos. I wonder how much the angle of the shaft affects the balance?
 
Quantum putters are new: I am in conversation with him about the website and how to clarify his product and stuff. I asked him for more photos because of the obvious need of a potential customer to see as much as can be shown.

ABSOLUTELY BALANCED - if you spin the shaft between your palms, the club is as true as a gyroscope or perfectly balanced wheel: NO wobble in any dimension.

It is a true piece of work, and I cannot imagine ever using anything else. My endorsements are gratis and enthusiastic--and without reservation. Choose the weight range you want and have at it. It is a true precision instrument.
 
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bcoak said:
Tom,
I know you were trying the SBST method of Geoff M. and was wondering how it is working out.
I have decided to commit to his methods (cutting my center shafted putter to 30" tonight) so would love to hear some of the things you have learned. Always good to hear other peoples interpretation.
Homerson, would also love to hear some of your thoughts as well.

geoffs got it down real good,but the straight back straight through stroke is just a tiny part of his stuff.most of his methods are about how to learn to putt to your target with great distance control intinctively.he has sooo many tips on how to read greens and judge pace.scary how hard he has worked on learning it all.
ask geoff about pelz!!damon(homersson)knows his stuff pretty good and has a good stroke to copy on geoffs site.
good luck,
david
 

Damon Lucas

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That stroke on Geoff's site is about 3 years old...much better now. Davidmac has it right, it is not just the stroke that maketh the putter. I work with a 16 year old whose Sam Puttlab numbers were better than Loren Roberts, and is nowhere near as good. Why? Cos you must control your speed FIRST! Then your stroke, then your reading and aim.

bcoak, how did you come up with 30 inches as your length?
What are you trying to do with your stroke?

Cheers,
D

Tom, maybe we could get the clubs out at the Manziposium!
 

Jim Kobylinski

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My claim to fame:

52 putts made in a row from 7 feet. My back started to hurt otherwise i would have kept going. G/F is witness, did it in my living room.

Hit 10 putts in a row at the golf show (they wouldn't let me do anymore) with the Pelz Putting Tutor. It was on the hardest setting. Here's a link to it:
http://pelzgolf.com/ProShop/LearningAids/PuttingTutor.aspx

You would not believe how close those little brass balls are on the hardest setting. Guy at the show said he never saw anyone that (above) before.

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Also, let me just state something. You don't have to have "perfect numbers" to putt well. As long as you start the ball on your intended line and strike the putt well you're fine.
 

bcoak

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homersson said:
That stroke on Geoff's site is about 3 years old...much better now. Davidmac has it right, it is not just the stroke that maketh the putter. I work with a 16 year old whose Sam Puttlab numbers were better than Loren Roberts, and is nowhere near as good. Why? Cos you must control your speed FIRST! Then your stroke, then your reading and aim.

bcoak, how did you come up with 30 inches as your length?
What are you trying to do with your stroke?

Cheers,
D

Tom, maybe we could get the clubs out at the Manziposium!

I used the equation that Geoff has on his site to determine length. It is at 31" now, and I may keep that for the time being to try it out.

My stroke: where to begin!
1.I use primarily an arc type stroke, but find it inconsistent, esp. under the gun. I would liketo get the manipulation out of my stroke and lett it go.
2. I am trying to get more consistent with my stroke, esp. getting the ball started on line.
I really like his thoughts on gaze, vertical motion of the shoulders, and putting straight. He has so much stuff it is hard to digest/remember it all!
I putt with the claw/paintbrush grip which I would like to get rid of, but Geoff stated not to sweat it so we shall see.
My home course is an old New England Donald Ross with smallish, undualating, and fast greens. It would be nice to get the "hit" out of the stroke and start rolling it truer.
First step is to practice the core putt, but still a little fuzzy on what it is exactly.
 
bcoak said:
My home course is an old New England Donald Ross with smallish, undualating, and fast greens. It would be nice to get the "hit" out of the stroke and start rolling it truer.
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Could it be as simple as practicing with a metronome on a beat around 60 bpm? That would help you smooth it out I would think.

Matt
 

bcoak

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Perfect Impact said:
What course, MRD? I grew up at Salem Country Club....fond memories of a great golf course.
Salem is one of my favorites. Played it a while back trying to get into the US AM. No luck at the Witch.
Play out of Charles River.
 
A few years ago I was up there again for a visit and I asked for the oppy to play the course. "George, you know we are a private course. Can you get someone to sponsor you as a guest?" Yes, please call *** or his brother *** - we played as kids there in the 40's.

"O Mr. H, I'm so sorry. *** is deceased and *** is in the hospital..."

Anyway that weekend there was a tournament there so I couldn't play it after all anyway.

If I was asked where I would like to play the rest of my life if I could play only one course, that is it!

It's been 54 years since the last time I played there. Wow.
 
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