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corky05

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6B, I havn't seen Horton build anything, he only tries to tear down, so don't expect any rough drafts soon. His derisive tone and lack of respect is sickening. To infer that Yoda would need to plant false testimonials is pathetic, but, laughable. Maybe the best testimonial of the day. The self-testimony that Horton is a lonely, unhappy person.
He can't stand our pursuit of golf knowledge served up TGM style, so he tries to make us feel bad and inept. Poor lonely dude, probably got coal in his stocking from Santa. He acts like the world is gonna come to an end and he must save us from this perverse method of golf instruction.
Horton,If you're such a scientific mind and you don't want to take 6B up on his offer to give you the opportunity to expose the faults in TGM, then why don't you put that scientific mind to work on something significant, like stopping world hunger. Use that great mind we are supposed to believe you have(mindlet), on something other than berating and insulting a dead man, who can't even defend himself.
Stop looking for someone else to take action. If you want something done, do it yourself. You're the only one not content with the content. You've made that clear, Ad Nausium. Now, why don't you run off to your troll cave and start typing. Frankly, I'm tired of your whining.
 
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6bee1dee

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Cork, anyone who meets Yoda would never report anything untrue. Lynn is a remarkable man, whose interests are only in making you a better golfer. Look up the word gentleman in the dictionary and you will see his picture (Thank you Rodney).

Horton crows: I usually beat them using psychological strategy. The hate me but love to play with me. Playing golf does not cost me anything and my equipment is free due to my winnings. Beat that meathead !!!!

first- "Meathead" - juvenile no? hahahah
second- can I get a piece of the action? Any stakes. I don't care if I beat you for a nickle or your car, clubs and computer with internet service. Just the opportunity to watch you play is worth it no matter what I lose. Or maybe I can play the same ladies/man he plays - they seem to like losing money.
Third- this is the second time Horton makes a “psychological” reference. First about Homer using it to strangle hold his students and AIs. Bad Homer -hahaha. And now he uses it against his sappy playing partners- I mean sappy in a nice way. I want to play them too. Me thinks Horton is an abused child, but I don’t know for sure. When they re-wrote all the science in the late eighties- I think this constant reference leads to some kind of abuse.


cork- that is a valid offer to Horton. If he doesn't take me up on it. I will cut and paste his comments and try to piece meal something together myself and use him as a source. I will get a copy of it over to the new owners so they can see what they can use. If they don’t need anything perhaps I will have enough of his posts to write a simple newspaper or magazine article on the “Absolution of Newtonian science and the principles of the golf swing in the modern era of Physics.” Either way his name is on a lot of cool stuff.
 
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horton

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corky & sixbee ... the forum bobsy twin-trolls .... who monitor the forum 24/7 just to shoot any messenger who brings unwanted revelations about Homer and to stop anybody who dares shake the foundations of TGM. Too late fellas, the Cat is Outa the Bag .... TGM is Flawed in it's Scientific claims ... and that's why TGM will get no meaningful recognition by the PGA and the Golf Scientific community .... Good and legitimate Science must present itself for peer review before it is acknowledged as correct .... but not for TGM which languishes in the fringes of golfdom .... !!!

Regardless of the Scientific Flaws, it's still a damned fine golfswing system and method being promoted and applied by a few qualified and knowledgeable AI's .... Just ask Yoda's satisfied customers who gratuitously posted rather similar endorsements on this and other golf forums to coincide with my appearance on this fine forum. Ya think ....???!!!!
 
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6bee1dee

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And yet Horton- you answer no questions and don't use the chance to re-write the science. Through your posts I'll write it for you.
 
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horton

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

And yet Horton- you answer no questions and don't use the chance to re-write the science. Through your posts I'll write it for you.
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Hereinafter and furthermore I shall attempt to refrain from responding to forum trolls and I await Axel's communication with me.

Goodbye.
 
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horton

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Looks like Axel has abandoned the forum after calling for my return ... leaving me to twist in the wind (the smell of cork and effnef) ..... [xx(]
 
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6bee1dee

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Horton is a hit. He seems to control the forum and apparently Brian has adopted Horton as his own and agrees with him that some threads are off limits to the membership. Horton- go for it. You are a hit! Some missed you. Btw, I heard you can’t do math? Pity.
 
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efnef

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quote:Originally posted by horton

Looks like Axel has abandoned the forum after calling for my return ... leaving me to twist in the wind (the smell of cork and effnef) ..... [xx(]
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Owww..owww.owww!!! Oh, stop! Please! You're killing me!!
 
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Axel_WIngert

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Your last post, so that we know where we are

Your lucky day Axel, I happened to be lurking.

There are no studies of any kind to disprove Homer's theories. Nobody with a scientific education would bother trying to decipher Homer's poorly written book. This alone must make you suspicious of Homer's state of mind. After 28 years of study and he still couldn't make his theories reader friendly?! No wonder no legitimate publisher would handle the book.

As for Homer's gaffes, the entire Chapter 2, and any references to Chapter 2 are based on totally incorrect interpretation of Newton's Laws of Motion. I have provided several glaring examples in my posts generally in those topics started by mandrin. Homer even invents new Laws of Physics with his "Law of Centrifugal Force". No such thing. The Physics is wrong and the Geometry is ridiculous.

(I have said that Homer's personal and visually-devised theories may have merit provided the claim to a scientific base is scoured out of the book and the rest is simplified for human consumption. As it is now, anybody scientific who tries to critique TGM is mobbed by the cultists.)

Anybody educated in the science of Dynamics and Statics will immediately recognize that Homer became confused by placing himself in a non-inertial frame of reference when he tries to verbally apply Newton's Laws of Motion. You can't do that because you must interpret everything in an inertial frame of reference to properly apply the equations of motion to the golfswing. If anything this was Newton's greatest contribution to scientific analysis and Homer and his disciple are still blundering about in pre-1687 scientific ignorance.

Homer was a lovable old fake by proclaiming that his theories were based on Science and Geometry in the 1960s when the most acceptable golfswing advice was from Hogan.

Homer asserts that a straight line Delivery Path (?) can exist in the downswing, when anybody with any basic knowledge of Kinetics and Kinematics, and Human Anatomy, know that this is an impossibility in a rotatory golfswing, no matter what you think you feel or try to achieve. If you can show me strobe-sequenced golfswings with a linear hand path, I will show you an overshifting swing or a re-flexed lead elbow in the middle of the downswing. (Painting straight white lines on an inclided plexiglass plane does not count!) Lucky if you can hit the golf ball trying to do this!!

http://www.clubmaker-online.com/bj003.html

http://home.comcast.net/~wride/handsslow.jpg

Have fun ...... and a Happy New Year to all ..... FORE !!!
 
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Axel_WIngert

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In the first paragraph you say that no studies exist because nobody with a scientific background has ever taken the time to study Homer's book or got together with an AI. You obviously have the education. Why don't you go see Brian or another qualified teacher and work with him? I did that flying in from Germany. And even though I was told about the studies which stated that "resistance to deceleration doesn't exist" I could feel it and see it- no real solution to that problem yet (a few ideas though).
I think what has to be done is the following: Researchers need to feel a TGM swing so that they can put up experiments in order to see whether there is fact or illusion. I don't have the proper background yet (financially and scienticficly)- otherwise I would do it right away.

Second paragraph
How would you handle the geometry?
By the way: Is the earth an inertial System?

Straight delivery line. Homer was an Engineer- not a Physicist. This means that he is not as accurate as a "real" scientist might require.
BUT he knows how to apply things and how to "make them work" (a thing many scientists can't do)

Your Bobby Jones Strobe picture shows a close to straight line of the hands prior to impact. Of course its never 100 percent straight but the more shallow the ellipse the better. (And he is a swinger- hitters usually have a delivery line that's less elliptic).

Why do i defend this concept? Because it helped me SO much to get more lag into my swing.


Axel

P.S.: Sorry I couldn't answer earlier
P.P.S: To the others: Please don't write if it isn't about the subject.
 
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horton

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Good man Axel !!!!!!!!!! Tell the trolls where to go !!!!

You Axel, must be a very devoted golfer who not only loves the game but also has a high personal standard to maintain. Regardless of your handicap level, you must be a fine golfer who appreciates what it takes to play the game - knowledge + work.

In response to your many questions, let me start with this. Please study the basic physics of "inertial and non-inertial systems or frames of reference". Without this knowledge we will never be able to properly discuss TGM and how Newtonian Physics and the 3 Laws of Motion apply to the golfswing. Homer attempted to do this but failed because he took a subjective or non-inertial approach to his analysis. He did not properly apply Newton's Laws of Motion to his explanations, even though he proclaimed that he did.

As an educated technical person and a decent golfer, I can evaluate TGM and Homer's claim to a scientific basis to his analysis. Homer has incorrectly used scientific terminology so that casts great doubt on his qualifications. You say he was an engineer, but that is not true. He did not graduate from any engineering school and did not have an engineering degree. People who claim to know as much as an engineer are usually fakes who know nothing about the science. Homer was a good golfer and a worker in the Boeing factory, not an engineer.

The geometry claimed in TGM is really bad, particularily the Vector diagrams and the Impact Interval sketches showing Impact and Separation. These sketches are not only wrong, they are badly out of scale and deceptive in what they are trying to show. Homer's understanding of the Impact Interval are only his best guess and current science shows he is wrong -- plain and simple.

Together with the poorly written book, the claimed science does not exist. There are no tested geometric proofs and no objective experimental results to back up Homer's claims for scientific proof. Science depends on objective proof and not on subjective feeling or personal results.

I am happy for you that you found great success by flying in from Germany to train with Brian and learn TGM, but that is not proof that Homer is correct in his scientific claims. Your faith in TGM is the same as your faith in the Bible or your faith in your favorite sports team or your country. Great teacher like Brian understand how to use and not use their knowledge for each student, and that is what makes them great. Just read what ignorant golfers say about Yoda !!

Faith can be a wonderful and powerful force that makes you feel good about yourself and your golf, but you must agree with me that it is not Science, because Science is Universal, whereas an individual's feelings and experiences are not regardless of how many claim to have the same feeling and beliefs as you do. Science is not proven by majority voting and agreeing on feelings; only by experimental proof that is identical each and every time. By this test, TGM is not a science or even scientifically based, and that is why scientific people avoid getting involve with something that they consider a scam.

By accident, TGM may be a great golfswing system or method, but a Science it is not. Homer was scientifically wrong but golfically right. :D
 
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Mathew

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You know the more I read your posts the more I have a feeling of deja vu. You debate like a hooker on Jerry Springers 'I slept with your brother and Im really a man'... You sound like a cd that is on skip... you make not one direct reference to anything to backup any assertion.
 
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