Reason why fred couples takes his club a little bit outside?
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Virtuoso
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Because they wouldn't think about keeping their head still, they wouldn't know what it means to take it back on plane, they wouldn't care about clubface angle in the backswing, and they wouldn't care about staying in their posture angles; all they would care about is naturally creating energy on the wind up.
Outside free arm swing, big shoulder turn, long arm swing and cupped wrist for big hinge equals a lot of potential energy on the wind up (because it is a drag race to the ball)....and you don't have to teach that to a kid at the park. You only have to teach that to a 50 year old man that has been playing horrible golf for 20 years....and forgot what it's like to be at the park.
Brian Manzella
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All of you (except GR) are dead on.
I would love to take a dozen of these guys, drop them off at Bandon Dunes, and see where they go with no help.
I would love to take a dozen of these guys, drop them off at Bandon Dunes, and see where they go with no help.
gmbtempe
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I don't have a sound technical reason IMO....I would imagine he just did it, it felt very comfortable, and as a kid he just hit it much better than anyone else.
For me personally if you take the club a bit more out, a bit more up, this moves the elbow a little bit higher and I can feel the club lay off a touch more on the downswing...........I highly doubt that relates to anything couples does.
Thats the thing, most of these professionals just do this stuff, most likely don't care why or how they got into these "ideal" positions as we break them down.
dschultz6072
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If the piñata is on the ground, the only logical way to hit it hard with a stick would be to take the stick up so you could feel like you're going one direction, up or down, getting the stick as far away as you possibly could muster. Nobody would be wrapping the stick around their body because it not only doesn't feel as powerful, you're also trying to hit it with the stick behind your body. Why would anyone do that?
High hands flying elbow bambi finish ftw.
High hands flying elbow bambi finish ftw.
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dschultz6072
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Now here's another question. Why does Freddie address the ball towards the toe of his club?
coachwalls
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1. They would be releasing the tool of choice at the pinata right from the top in an attempt to dump as much force as possible into the pinata at the point of impact. No worries about hooking or slicing that pinata just thinking about smashing it.
2. And I think just as importantly they are not trying to get that pinata in the air. I've seen a lot of bad golf swings as a high school coach. A lot of the bad swings I see from really athletic kids can be fixed just by changing the mental picture of what they are trying to make the golf ball do. You want to see a kid that's a good athlete smash the ball have him try to hit worm burners with a driver off the deck. Trying to get the ball in the air kills a lot of swings from what I've seen.
Freddie is classic example Of a great player who just figured it out. Compatible variations is putting it mildly. Early Lift, late turn, across the line, very steep transition but keeps turning. Instead of backing it up he just keeps a steep move moving and gets a one way miss. Like all the greats.
tongzilla
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i think:
it's just much easier to generate massive speed with high hands and a flying right elbow at the top. When your goal is to generate maximum power- it's not natural to swing "flat" (e.g. Kuchar) with elbow pointing down unless you're taught that way and you train it until it becomes natural.
also, it's more natural to use more hands and arms to take the club back rather than to use more of a "synchronized body and arms takeaway". In these athletes brain, they subconsciously figure out that they cant generate max speed using just their arms so their body MUST turn more later in the backswing to get their hands higher up.
it's just much easier to generate massive speed with high hands and a flying right elbow at the top. When your goal is to generate maximum power- it's not natural to swing "flat" (e.g. Kuchar) with elbow pointing down unless you're taught that way and you train it until it becomes natural.
also, it's more natural to use more hands and arms to take the club back rather than to use more of a "synchronized body and arms takeaway". In these athletes brain, they subconsciously figure out that they cant generate max speed using just their arms so their body MUST turn more later in the backswing to get their hands higher up.
coachwalls
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I don't know how to drop an image so here's a couple links. Not pretending to know anything here just love these shots. All of them are from golf digest article April 2008. He's working with Butch Harmon at this point and according to the article hitting draws.
Set up to smash it.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl02_fred_couples.jpg
Going back for the smash.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl03_fred_couples.jpg
Can you say soft draw?
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl05_fred_couples.jpg
Dead pinata! Love how square his shoulders are. Doesn't look like smooth and easy in this shot.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl07_fred_couples.jpg
Any ideas about this release? Couldn't resist.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl08_fred_couples.jpg
Set up to smash it.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl02_fred_couples.jpg
Going back for the smash.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl03_fred_couples.jpg
Can you say soft draw?
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl05_fred_couples.jpg
Dead pinata! Love how square his shoulders are. Doesn't look like smooth and easy in this shot.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl07_fred_couples.jpg
Any ideas about this release? Couldn't resist.
http://www.golfdigest.com/images/instruction/2008/04/insl08_fred_couples.jpg
hp12c
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The last pic is friking awesome, looks like his right hand is completely off the club!
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