Reducing Club Path

[cwdlaw223]

I have a friend who was hitting golf balls on Trackman the other day and his club path was 9+ for various clubs. I tried to get him to feel like he's going over the top more to counter such an in to out path. Sometimes his path got down to the 2-3 range which is fine (just worry about path for now, I know the face angle comes into play). However, sometimes he wouldn't get the club path down by coming over the top.

Should I assume this what he felth with his over the top move really didn't work?

Any other ideas to reduce severe in to out path?

 

[Phil Rosenbaum]

Hit the ground in a practice swing left of your left foot. For a righty. More carry might help also.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Depends on how he's getting in to out. If the clubhead is the only thing that in to out, that needs fixed. If hes like Tom Watson and everything was in to out, he can then feel like a come over it move to neutralize the path.

 

[Phil Rosenbaum]

Hub path and sweetspot path might not match.

 

[cwdlaw223]

Kevin -

How can only the clubhead go in to out and not anything else? I know Trackman doesn't measure everything else, but it's all connected.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Body, shoulder, hands, and grip end can all be traveling left and the clubhead can still be going in to out. Happens all the time. If the right right shoulder, handpath and clubhead are all still going out, thats a completely different and easier thing to help.

 

[Matt Bryda]

Hub path and sweetspot path might not match.

That's the whole thing!

 

[cwdlaw223]

This is why good instruction is so important. I never knew and thought that there would always be a strong correlation between the clubhead and the rest of the body. What's the typical fix if path is in to out but everything else is going left? Typical fixes. I know the variables might be endless.

 

[dbl]

What's the typical fix if path is in to out but everything else is going left? Typical fixes.

The way I read Kevin's earlier response was that you are asking for what he called a harder scenario.

Brian - Your teaching is invaluable

I'm not sure why you are trying to scoop up such "pearls" when Kevin just informed you of scenarios you weren't even aware of. You can't diagnose your friend so why have him try random things? Well maybe you won't have your friend try this, but it seems to me at some point we are bothering the staff here asking for detailed answers to artificial scenarios.

 

[cwdlaw223]

dbl -

Artificial scenarios? Every question here has some artificial scenario built into it because the instructor isn't there video taping our swings in 3D with a Trackman behind it. To get a perfect post is impossible just using the English language.

All I've heard is to swing left to zero out a club path (assuming a negative attack angle). Well, if you're swinging left and your path still isn't zeroing out what does one do to zero out the path???? If you have the answer, post it instead of attacking the question.

 

[Phil Rosenbaum]

Well, to find ZERO, you better do something way different than what you are doing right now. I am just thinking, if I had a student that was +9 path, and swinging left of the mississippi did not help, why not aim left. Perhaps, 9 degrees left. But, very important to aim the whole thing left, and , make the same swing.

 

[dbl]

I imagine you have gone through these items, but can he follow the yellow brick road? Do you know his Aoa? If AoA huge why not move ball forward and start some hand path adjustments? Maybe he already has crazy (major) axis tilt affecting everything...

 

[cwdlaw223]

Good thoughts. Thanks for the posts.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Make sure his arms are down his chest before his hips unwind or right heel is off the ground. Handle inside ball ( a little tumble) before any unwindinding. Then if hes still in to out, he can carry or whatever. Just an opinion.

 

[alma111]

To develop a consistent golf swing, you need to have the proper path of the golf club, hands and arms in the backswing and the proper path of the golf club hands and arms on the forward-swing. To do this, when I set up to the golf ball, if you look at my address position my hands are right below my shoulders. When I swing the club back my hands should stay underneath my shoulders the entire swing back and then as I swing down my hands come back underneath my shoulders. As I swing the club through they stay under my shoulders into the forward-swing. If your hands swing under your shoulders the entire swing you will have the proper path going back and coming through to develop a consistent impact position. Many golfers that I teach, sometimes on the backswing they go outside and you can see that my hands are outside my shoulders. Or on the backswing they come too much in and once again my hands are inside my shoulders and not below them. Another fault that I see with golfers when they start down is over the top where the hands get outside the shoulders, or they drop too much below. If you can learn to keep the hands underneath the shoulders the entire swing you are going to have the proper path to develop a consistent impact position. So let me demonstrate one for you.