Release- Please Elaborate on How to...
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Brian Manzella
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You NEVER release the club.
Burner
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300,
See for yourself in the links to Sergio and Hale Irwin, below.
They are as alike as chalk and cheese but the similarity between their swings from parallel on the down swing and through the hitting area are uncannily similar.
That is the release as described and understood by most coaches and commentators.
Scroll down the each of the page till you get to a running sequence of stills.
SERGIO
HALE IRWIN
See for yourself in the links to Sergio and Hale Irwin, below.
They are as alike as chalk and cheese but the similarity between their swings from parallel on the down swing and through the hitting area are uncannily similar.
That is the release as described and understood by most coaches and commentators.
Scroll down the each of the page till you get to a running sequence of stills.
SERGIO
HALE IRWIN
Brian Manzella
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...sure
You don't 'release' the club,you berelease the angles(accumulators) formed by the bent right arm, the cocked left wrist, the rolled left arm and the left arm accross the chest.
The clubhead should not flip past the hands at all during this 'release'.
quote:Originally posted by brianman
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You don't 'release' the club,you berelease.... the rolled left arm and the left arm accross the chest.
The clubhead should not flip past the hands at all during this 'release'.
The rolled left arm...to me that implies that the arm is rolled on the backswing (forearm is rotated right), in order to be rolled on the forward swing (forearm is rotated left). Is that accurate?
Burner
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Rolling the arms open on the take away and then having to roll them back again on the down swing is plain foolish and causes many an error. It is entirely unnecessary and requires immaculate timing to get it right.quote:Originally posted by 300Drive
quote:Originally posted by brianman
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You don't 'release' the club,you berelease.... the rolled left arm and the left arm accross the chest.
The clubhead should not flip past the hands at all during this 'release'.
The rolled left arm...to me that implies that the arm is rolled on the backswing (forearm is rotated right), in order to be rolled on the forward swing (forearm is rotated left). Is that accurate?
The supination of the left wrist and pronation of the right wrist (see the pics of Sergio and Hale that I posted for you where their right arms pass over their left, post impact) is a natural product of a full, free swing right through the ball.
That's ludicrous.quote:Originally posted by Burner
Rolling the arms open on the take away and then having to roll them back again on the down swing is plain foolish and causes many an error. It is entirely unnecessary and requires immaculate timing to get it right.quote:Originally posted by 300Drive
quote:Originally posted by brianman
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You don't 'release' the club,you berelease.... the rolled left arm and the left arm accross the chest.
The clubhead should not flip past the hands at all during this 'release'.
The rolled left arm...to me that implies that the arm is rolled on the backswing (forearm is rotated right), in order to be rolled on the forward swing (forearm is rotated left). Is that accurate?
The supination of the left wrist and pronation of the right wrist (see the pics of Sergio and Hale that I posted for you where their right arms pass over their left, post impact) is a natural product of a full, free swing right through the ball.
Burner, EVERY pro rotates their left arm on the backswing.....
Brian Manzella
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I have to strongly disagree with Burner also...
YOU HAVE TO ROTATE YOUR LEFT ARM 90degrees to look like TIGER at the top.
YOU HAVE TO ROTATE YOUR LEFT ARM 90degrees to look like TIGER at the top.
I remember Tiger saying he doesn't rotate his left arm to the top. In Golf Digest and maybe his book, he put a piece of tape on his arm to show that it didn't rotate from address to the top. Am I wrong, does anyone remember this?
Also is this non-rotation of the left arm a Hitters action?
BTW, of course, Hogan said he couldn't rotate his arm fast enough getting to the top.....so two extremes. maybe?
Also is this non-rotation of the left arm a Hitters action?
BTW, of course, Hogan said he couldn't rotate his arm fast enough getting to the top.....so two extremes. maybe?
Brian Manzella
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rbaumgolf...The left arm MUST rotate 90 degrees to GET the club on plane on the backswing.
Mostly a cupped left wrist will cause the clubface to be too open.
Mostly a cupped left wrist will cause the clubface to be too open.
cherrybarry
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Is left arm rotated by the pivot, or does it rotate independently and with the pivot?
I think that's what Tiger was saying. Pivot rotates the left arm?
I think that's what Tiger was saying. Pivot rotates the left arm?
Brian Manzella
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Either or...but it would FEEL like the pivot did it, IF you already knew how.
But if it didn't rotate it would be like Miller Barber.
But if it didn't rotate it would be like Miller Barber.
Brian Manzella
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BTW Cherry, Thanks for posting on my forum...your particapation is very welcome and encouraged!
Burner
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The arm rotates not through conscious effort on the part of the golfer but passively as a result of following the plane line on the back swing.quote:Originally posted by ragman
That's ludicrous.quote:Originally posted by Burner
Rolling the arms open on the take away and then having to roll them back again on the down swing is plain foolish and causes many an error. It is entirely unnecessary and requires immaculate timing to get it right.quote:Originally posted by 300Drive
quote:Originally posted by brianman
...sure
You don't 'release' the club,you berelease.... the rolled left arm and the left arm accross the chest.
The clubhead should not flip past the hands at all during this 'release'.
The rolled left arm...to me that implies that the arm is rolled on the backswing (forearm is rotated right), in order to be rolled on the forward swing (forearm is rotated left). Is that accurate?
The supination of the left wrist and pronation of the right wrist (see the pics of Sergio and Hale that I posted for you where their right arms pass over their left, post impact) is a natural product of a full, free swing right through the ball.
Burner, EVERY pro rotates their left arm on the backswing.....
This can be demonstrated by adopting the address position, without a club in your hands, and placing your palms together before swinging up to the top.
As you start the swing the back of the leading hand is perpendicular to the target line - and would be in line with the leading edge of the club if Brian's grip were adopted.
At the parallel to the ground, half way back, point of the swing, the back of the leading hand is parallel to the target line and the toe of the club points to the sky.
At the top of the swing, the back of the leading hand is aligned with the forearm and parallel to, but above, the plane line (the toe of the club points downward and the club face is at an angle that corresponds with the forearm/back of the hand.
If the leading side arm had been actively rotated by the golfer (clockwise for a righty) on the back swing, then at the parallel to the ground, or half way back point, the back of the hand would be pointing at the sky and at the top of the swing, would be pointing at the target: this is not good news and much compensation would be needed on the down swing to restore the club face to anything like square.
Now, I agree that the leading arm rotates on the back swing but it is an automatic byproduct of an efficient swing and needs no intervention or help from the golfer; which would be, at best, counter productive but, usually, totally destructive.
Brian Manzella
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Burner...ever give a couple dozen thousand golf lessons?
NOTHING is automatic for LOTS of people.
NOTHING is automatic for LOTS of people.
Turfspanker
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"rbaumgolf...The left arm MUST rotate 90 degrees to GET the club on plane on the backswing."
How about 90 degrees from start up to the top of the swing.
From the top to follow-though would be 180 degress.
Turfspanker
How about 90 degrees from start up to the top of the swing.
From the top to follow-though would be 180 degress.
Turfspanker
Burner
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Brian,
No, I have not given a couple of thousand golf lessons and, as you say, nothing is automatic for LOTS of people. But, experienced and knowledgable as you undoubtedly are, your edicts are not absolute.
Pre-meditated and deliberate (clockwise for a righty) rotation of the leading forearm on the back swing is an unecessary and destructive move which should be discouraged at all cost. It requires anti-clockwise (corrective) rotation on the down swing to reconstitute the square club face at impact; and only the very, very best could ever do this with any degree of repeatable accuracy, should it be necessary in the first place.
I posted pics' of Hale Irwin and Chuck III (face on) showing the back of their leading hands as being parallel to the target line at hip high and those positions could NOT have been achieved had they deliberately rotated their forearms clockwise on their back swings.
Can you post me a picture of any Tour player where, unlike Hale and Chuck, the back of his leading hand is not facing, and parallel to, the target line at hip high in his back swing, as I have yet to see one.
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