Brian Manzella
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I said NOTHING, nada, zero, zilch about DELIBERATE!
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I remember watching the Golf Channel Academy Live a few years ago, you remember that program when it was good with Pete Kessler, don’t ya? The expert instructor was the fellow from Oakmont CC, Bob Ford. I’ll never forget what he said, he was showing the impact position into a bag from waist high, “This is why I don’t teach beginners - they don’t know anything.”
What I stupid thing an instructor can say. I’m sure teaching blue hairs at an exclusive CC has its moments, but still....
Now Brian, I must be that beginner for you, I don’t think you replied more then twice to any of my posts. I kinda figure you either don’t want to waste your time with me or you just have this gut feeling about me that you don’t like. Either way, I think I will save you the trouble and just read your forum. There are some wonderful things to read and you have some nice members, but I'll just post on my word proceesor. Same thing .
What I stupid thing an instructor can say. I’m sure teaching blue hairs at an exclusive CC has its moments, but still....
Now Brian, I must be that beginner for you, I don’t think you replied more then twice to any of my posts. I kinda figure you either don’t want to waste your time with me or you just have this gut feeling about me that you don’t like. Either way, I think I will save you the trouble and just read your forum. There are some wonderful things to read and you have some nice members, but I'll just post on my word proceesor. Same thing .
Brian Manzella
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I am really sorry, ask me a question, and I'll make a FEATURE out of it...fair enough?
Redgoat
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Here you go Burner...
Ugly ain't it?
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Ugly ain't it?
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Burner
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Burner said,
Rolling the arms open on the take away and then having to roll them back again on the down swing is plain foolish and causes many an error. It is entirely unnecessary and requires immaculate timing to get it right.
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Ragman said,
That's ludicrous.
Burner, EVERY pro rotates their left arm on the backswing.....
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Brian said,
I have to strongly disagree with Burner also...
YOU HAVE TO ROTATE YOUR LEFT ARM 90degrees to look like TIGER at the top.
The Dictionary says,
Rotate means to move around the centre or on a pivot. Revolve, turn around or spin.
Seems like you are now agreeing with me, in that any perceived rotation is a result of taking the club back on plane only and is a natural consequence of that, as opposed to being a deliberate act as both you and Ragman stated; or now, it seems, only implied in your remarks above.
Brian Manzella
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What I am saying is that the arm MUST rotate.
What I am not saying is that you have to TRY to do it.
Get it?
What I am not saying is that you have to TRY to do it.
Get it?
quote:Originally posted by Burner
Then we are in agreement.
That is precisely what I have been saying all along. I am surprised that you did not get it sooner.
pops, you stubborn...as always! good!
but doesnt a swinger deliberately rotate hands on backswing and forwardswing ala karate chop? i understand with time this becomes naturally part of the swing, but you guys sound like being hitter or swinger, the backswing is the same when it comes to forearm rotation.
Burner
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Hi Son,quote:Originally posted by Powerdraw
quote:Originally posted by Burner
Then we are in agreement.
That is precisely what I have been saying all along. I am surprised that you did not get it sooner.
pops, you stubborn...as always! good!
but doesnt a swinger deliberately rotate hands on backswing and forwardswing ala karate chop? i understand with time this becomes naturally part of the swing, but you guys sound like being hitter or swinger, the backswing is the same when it comes to forearm rotation.
Cool new forum, eh?
I am not a TGM student yet, but may get hold of a copy of the next edition, so I cannot comment on swingers and hitters.
Meanwhile, I remain fascinated by the endless permutations that Mr Kelley identified, which seem to offer an argument against almost any theory thrown up by anyone at any given time.
Seems to me that the major problem which besets all golfers is in deciding what suits their particular physiology and then working only on the things that are applicable to it.
TGM should be able to provide this information and, most likely does.
What TGM doesn't seem to provide (?) is the means by which a guy can identify his own particular route to golfing salvation - and then ensure he sticks to it.
Self diagnosis is all very well but not practised by the medical profession, so why do golfers insist on doing it.
In short TGM is a tool for the use of the Professional Coach and not the student.... But I digress.
As far as rotating wrists, forearms, whole arms or whatever goes, I remain convinced that the least intervention the golfer introduces into the process the better his results will be.
A club properly taken back on plane causes the rotation that we are repeatedly advised by many coaches to accentuate.
There is sufficient rotation without adding to it. Consciously adding to this rotation that naturally occurs is only introducing the possibility, no make that probability, of further error for swingers or hitters alike.
This, however, is a never ending debate with neither side seemingly prepare to concede any ground.
It is a bit like the Tiger's swing thread that has so many postings which focus on his back swing - not much concensus there either despite the fact that nothing gets hit on the back swing and how the club gets to the top is largely immaterial.
What happens in Tigers down swing is where his problems are and if only he could stop the violent rotation of his hips from being the leader of his down swing then he might get back to hitting a few more fairways.
Brian Manzella
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The hips aren't the problem...IMO.
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