Right arm STRETCHING the left arm in the swing ?

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hue

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Brian: You wrote this on the " Best approach for improvement " thread

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2) I overswing at the top (right arm bent too far, some right wrist break-down)
Brian: Make sure you feel like your right arm is stretching your left arm away from you the WHOLE SWING."

Chuck Evans deals with this in his Ebook on page 97. I have recently started feeling that I have more of this right tricep push in my backstroke so instead of arriving at a backstroke position that looks OK at the top with no feeling of push/ stretching in the right arm. My strike is now much less sloppy and has more crunch and power to it. The power package feels much more structured.

Can you go into the significance of this stretching and describe how the right amount of stretching should feel? Thanks.
 
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EDz says: a) create more power with less effort - width and b) gives you much more of a 'flow', and a natural release, no 'flip' needed - as Clarke mentioned on TGC, gives you more 'time' to square up (well, really, does it for you
Brian had a great quote about this a while back from Doyle - like straightening out your sweater sleeve - just a 'slight' pull is enough... (or something close to those words)

riding the rim, this extention keeps you on the rim (in 'feel'),keeps the spoke straight, keeps the right palm (thumb pocket) riding the rim, pushing the left thumb along the rim


Width is a very important part of the swing to understand, and very helpful to your timing/tempo/balance
 
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EDz says: a) create more power with less effort - width (THAT's NOT WHY)and b) gives you much more of a 'flow', and a natural release, no 'flip' needed - as Clarke mentioned on TGC, gives you more 'time' to square up (well, really, does it for you)(HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH FLOW OR FLIP)

Brian had a great quote about this a while back from Doyle - like straightening out your sweater sleeve - just a 'slight' pull is enough... (or something close to those words)

riding the rim, this extention keeps you on the rim (in 'feel'),keeps the spoke straight, keeps the right palm (thumb pocket) riding the rim, pushing the left thumb along the rim

I have HAD IT with this RIM...ED what about DELIVERY PATHS!!!

Width is a very important part of the swing to understand, and very helpful to your timing/tempo/balance

NOT WIDTH ED>>>NOT WIDTH......it adds MASS!
 
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EdZ

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OK Mr. Blue font....

did you ever take physics?

the longer the lever, the farther away from the hub, the faster the speed for a given rate of rotation (or hey, why did those driver/iron shafts get longer again? - width)

keeping your arms farther away from you, not getting narrow =

WIDTH

yes, that ALSO gives you more mass - but only because your timing is better (you are in synch more easily)

which is exactly what I said

so we do not disagree

And if you disagree with my posts/image - how about explaining WHY?

delivery path - on line delivery path, on the arc of approach (if those are your correct tgm lingo?)

on the edge of the rim brian - the wheel is tilted, and is the delivery path/arc of approach of the HANDS
 
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Yup Mr. Ed (get it?)...

I took physics and gave 25,000 golf lessons teaching that and geometry.

You NEVER said anything about a LONGER lever...you can have a LONG lever WITHOUT EXTENSOR ACTION...but no mass.

IN sync is a poor way to discribe IN Rhythm which is what I think you mean.

The hands need to MISS your rim to have a straight line delivery path to impact.
 
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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Yup Mr. Ed (get it?)...

I took physics and gave 25,000 golf lessons teaching that and geometry.

You NEVER said anything about a LONGER lever...you can have a LONG lever WITHOUT EXTENSOR ACTION...but no mass.

IN sync is a poor way to discribe IN Rhythm which is what I think you mean.

The hands need to MISS your rim to have a straight line delivery path to impact.
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Welcome back Brian, missed the funk. I thought the forum was renamed Brian Manzella and EDZ's Rim Golf Forum for a moment.
 
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I agree with Brian, Ed i am tired of your "rim" ideas -which make no sense and evwen more sick of your ego.
 
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EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

Yup Mr. Ed (get it?)...

I took physics and gave 25,000 golf lessons teaching that and geometry.

You NEVER said anything about a LONGER lever...you can have a LONG lever WITHOUT EXTENSOR ACTION...but no mass.

IN sync is a poor way to discribe IN Rhythm which is what I think you mean.

The hands need to MISS your rim to have a straight line delivery path to impact.
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We agree on 'in rhythm' - yes - that is where 'mass' comes from (proper timing, whatever the symantics used to describe it) the hands and chest are timed properly through the shot

Sorry, didn't know I'd need to specify keeping 'center' to you when discussing a longer lever (max width for a given stable center)

It is not the 'hands' it is the 'rotation point' - nearest to PP1 - the 'tip' of the triangle, that rides the rim

never said anything about a longer lever?

the longer the lever, the farther away from the hub, the faster the speed for a given rate of rotation (or hey, why did those driver/iron shafts get longer again? - width)


Hue - sound like a personal problem to me.....;)
 
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densikat

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In Homer's described hitting and swinging procedures he says to use a straight line delivery path.

What would be any advantages/disadvantages of using circle delivery path Brian?
 
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EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

I like STRAIGHT-LINE delivery path ed :)

What do you think about this, since you seem to advocate a CIRCLE delivery path?
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Feel vs real Brian

the 'image' of the tip of the triangle staying on the inside of the rim, gives folks max width (same with the 'outside of the tire' image/drill) The 'image' of keeping the lead thumb in plane with the inside of the rim of the wheel, and on its surface, keeps max width, max extensor action.

That 'spoke' is the 'hub to wrist' line, so the angles created with the hands, the cock of the left, bend of the right, still stay in place, as I would think you would agree, are key. The 'feel' of the left thumb, and right 'thumb pocket' staying on the plane of the rim, of the right thumb 'pocket' being the 'extensor point' keeps the proper hand action through the shot. This 'point' is 'close' to PP1, it is the 'rotation point' (see my EdZ drill post, interlocked fingers drill, reference)

Think of it as an endless belt effect with a bigger hub ;)

Now, as with everything in golf, there is the too much, not enough and just right. As long as you keep the stable hub, balance and width - things fall into place quite well without 'thinking' about what you need to do.

I don't disagree that a straight line delivery path is closer to what folks 'think' is happening, or that it can give you a bit larger margin for error, with a trade off of having to 'do' something during the motion to your hands/clubface or hub.

If I understand the circle delivery path of TGM correctly (and I may no be), that represents the 'limit' of max width. The trade off there is that the hub 'must' remain stable, or depth will be effected - at worst, the hub could move 'forward' and not 'back', 'down' not 'up' OR there must be more forward lean of the shaft to avoid bottoming out - if that makes sense to you. I suspect you may disagree with that bit, since I know how much you like axis tilt. Fair enough, I understand why you do. By bending back the right wrist and holding it there, the length of the lever has shortened (but NOT the length of the 'spoke'). If you didn't move 'back' and 'down', you'd top all your shots, or miss the ball completely. The more 'forward lean at impact', the more 'back and down' the hub needs to move for solid contact. Again, fair enough, it helps give some margin for error re: throw away, again, at the expense of having to 'do' something (consciously, or not) during the swing to adjust.

As with many things in the swing, perspective can make folks talking about the same thing, appear to be miles apart. In a nutshell, I am advocating max width, and less axis tilt than you Brian.

Make sense? I'd be happy to clarify more if need be.
 
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