right forearm on plane as soon as possible....

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Hogan, Vijay, Appleby, Annika, and Tiger sometimes seem to have the right forearm on plane more than anyone.
Hogan's was the best it laid dead on plane and pointed at the ball the entire downswing. Vijay also does a pretty awesome job of it. I am interested to hear what people think about how he achieves it though. His right elbow is behind his hip yet laying on plane and pointing right at the ball.It does not collide or it would throw him off plane. Thoughts?
 
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i was able to accomplish and feel transfer power only after i got my elbos behind my hip- Ben doyle said this was like furyk
I can't really explain it in words very well- but needless to say it is not the "pitch" position more of the punch, push
but it led to transfer power
how come - don't know
does anyone understand how this happened?
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quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

6bee1dee,
Do you think Ben confuses aiming point and impact hand location?
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If you use a straight line delivery, impact hand location is a point between the top of swing position of PP#1 and your aiming point on the ground in front of the ball, both arms straight and at 45 degrees to the ground, where you have full extention.

Swinging a broom can show you this position and how the body must move to support the on plane force.
 
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When taking the right forearm up, I bend the right elbow immediately, and at the top the right elbow is quite close to the body and hands just above shoulder level. To this position, I feel quite easy with not much tension and the left shoulder does not feel like 90 degree but in fact it is. Swinging down also feel easy.

One of my intructor friend told me the reason that you feel easy is you do not have much tension kept, as I swing up, my knee also turn with it. He said you should have both knees point at the ball at start up, both feet parallel such that it won't let the hip turn out too early at start down. Also he advised to have more extension of the right arm out such that it will not be too close to the body, provide more space to come down and maintain a straighter left arm. However, doing that I feel very tense and have a lot of mi****.

I remember in TGM, turning the hip freely is one option. Should I follow his advice? Also, should the right elbow be more away from the body? (More extension?)
 
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EDZ,
I know...but I don't think Ben Doyle does. Aiming point is where #3 is driven or guided to and impact hand location is where the hands are at impact. Ben describes, incorrectly, the aiming point as impact hand location.
 
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quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

6bee1dee,
Do you think Ben confuses aiming point and impact hand location?
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I'm sorry MGJ, I didn't see your message til just now. Honestly, I don't think Ben is confused but just applies it differently. On the few tapes I have of his, Ben never bothers with impact fix. I think fix is important concept to learn. Without fix, Aiming point is just a guess or feel. When I spoke with Mr. Doyle on the phone, something I enjoyed everytime I have, when I asked about the aiming point, he said, "that's just where the forward press goes to." Aiming point and hand impact for Ben is the same.
 
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Axel Wingert is quite correct here about agent's photo. As I've pointed out before, there are MANY Tour players and other great swings in which the right forearm DOES NOT line up with the shaft through impact. Anyone who maximizes #3 throwout will have the forearm pointing outside the plane line before impact and inside the plane line at impact. These players return to impact with #3 intact. I.e., from the behind the player view, he returns to address position at impact, except of course, the left wrist, which is bent at address, has become flat or arched. In this case, throwout adds SUBSTANTIAL clubhead speed through impact.
 
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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

6bee1dee,
Do you think Ben confuses aiming point and impact hand location?
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I'm sorry MGJ, I didn't see your message til just now. Honestly, I don't think Ben is confused but just applies it differently. On the few tapes I have of his, Ben never bothers with impact fix. I think fix is important concept to learn. Without fix, Aiming point is just a guess or feel. When I spoke with Mr. Doyle on the phone, something I enjoyed everytime I have, when I asked about the aiming point, he said, "that's just where the forward press goes to." Aiming point and hand impact for Ben is the same.
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For real world use, there is no difference between aiming point and impact hand location really, so I wouldn't disagree with Ben's view. It is really a matter of where you focus, on the ground, or in the hands. I'd take the hands every time.

Miller would agree with Ben as well.
 
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The way I understand it, impact hand location should be the same for ever club while the aiming point can differ. Impact hand location should be visually over the left foot, but aiming point is usually at the ball or a few inches behind/in front of it.
 
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mg - depends on ball position, for a fixed ball position aiming point will change, for variable it is constant. At least that is my understanding after reading a debate between Brian and Yoda. I personally vary my ball position slightly so I can make the same motion each time.
 
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