right forearm on plane line???

[pieman]

i've heard of the right forearm as being a key in the swing. at address, are you supposed to have the right forearm and shaft in a line(as in the flying wedges)? i see this to some degree in pictues, but this months issue of golf digest shows ernie els(with driver) as havign the shaft well below his forearm.
please help me. thanks

 

[bray]

i've heard of the right forearm as being a key in the swing. at address, are you supposed to have the right forearm and shaft in a line(as in the flying wedges)? i see this to some degree in pictues, but this months issue of golf digest shows ernie els(with driver) as havign the shaft well below his forearm.
please help me. thanks

Pieman,

You can set the flying wedges at address....with the right forearm in line with the clubshaft.

However, most players start where Ernie is in GoldDigest November 2007, they then set the Right Forearm Flying Wedge in the swing. You can see in the Sequence on Page 34 how Ernie's Right Forearm is in line with the club in Pics 4,5, and 6 of the Down the Line Sequence.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

i've heard of the right forearm as being a key in the swing. at address, are you supposed to have the right forearm and shaft in a line(as in the flying wedges)? i see this to some degree in pictues, but this months issue of golf digest shows ernie els(with driver) as havign the shaft well below his forearm.
please help me. thanks

one of brian's video responses covers this, maybe someone knows which and can link it here.

 

[Bigwill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO_HCTtaOZs

Hope this helps.

 

[pieman]

thanks for the help. sounds like the right forearm will get on plane eventually as long as the swing is sound.

 

[dannyc]

since they are called flying wedges, i assume there is one for the the left arm...can anyone describe it?

thanks
danny c

 

[bray]

Danny C,

The Left Arm Flying Wedge is on the plane of the left wrist cock.....

When the left wrist is "flat" the left arm is inline with golf club.....this is the left arm flying wedge and is best seen on Page 34 of the November GolfDigest in picture 6, face on (Top Row) view of Ernie Els Impact.

Here Ernie's Left Wrist is "Flat" and the club is inline with his left arm. You can also see the left arm flying in other parts of Ernies golf swing.....including pic 2 down the line view (bottom row) and pic 4 down the line view. Here the Left wrist is cocked but it's still "flat" and the golf club is still inline with the left arm.

The left wrist can be cocked verticaly, but it should be "flat."

Again the Left Arm Flying Wedge....just like the Right Forearm Flying Wedge does not need to be intact at address.....but Homer Reccommended it be assembled by Impact.

Also note the names.....the club is inline with the whole Left Arm in the Left Arm Flying Wedge
Where as it is just inline with the Forearm on the Right Forearm Flying Wedge.

Also please not "flat" is dependent on your grip type.

Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

 

[dannyc]

thanks bray for the quick and detailed reply.
are the flying wedges something to practice or just a concept?

 

[Brian Manzella]

The Stone Truth.

Homer Kelley theorized that the having the Right Forearm “on plane” at impact would assist the golfer in resisting the forces at impact that could slow the clubhead down.

He also thought that having the forearm as an additional means of guiding the entire power package (the arms , hands, and club), and also the pivot, through the ball.

In my 25 years of constant research on and off the lesson tee, this is what I have found about the right forearm.

1. The Right Forearm is a good guide on the downswing for only a relative few golfers, and for a small percentage of patterns.

2. Right Elbow location is at least as important as Right Forearm location, but neither are as important as Right Forefinger Knuckle (the #3 pressure point) location.

3. A totally orthodox golf swing—one that would be in the dead center of the MANZELLA MATRIX—would not have the Right Forearm on plane at Address.

4. The forces that slow the clubhead down can not be “resisted” by forearm location.

5. The best golfer I have ever taught, David Wayne Toms, does NOT have his right forearm on plane at impact. But he has won 27 million dollars playing golf.
​

Back in 1989, I was all about getting the Right Forearm on plane at address, and adamant about getting it back plane as soon just before and at impact.

I spent a whole day that summer working with David Toms on getting his Right Forearm on plane just at impact.

The next day we played at Country Club of Louisiana and a couple of guys that couldn’t carry his jock, beat him by a few strokes. That’s when he uttered to me the famous—in close Manzella Golf circles—line:

“But it looks good on video, huh?”
​

That’s the day that the MANZELLA MATRIX was conceived. I realized that David absolutely hit it better when his right forearm was high AND OFF PLANE at impact. I realized that although I had golfers who had the forearms PERFECTLY on plane, they couldn’t beat David, mostly because David hit it straighter with the Driver and closer with the irons.

It is ABSOULTELY NOT an absolute.

What is absolute?

An impact interval clubhead path and clubface combination, at the appropriate speed, with the appropriate club, for the intended shot—that’s it!

This path is 3 dimensional, and it is relative to the golf ball. It includes the angle of decent, and the direction relative to the target.

The trick is finding your best means of creating those ideal impact conditions.

That’s where the MANZELLA MATRIX and Brian Manzella come in.

 

[Michael Jacobs]

The Right Forearm is a good guide on the downswing for only a relative few golfers, and for a small percentage of patterns. )

The percentage seems to be getting smaller and smaller

Great Post Brian, one of your best

 

[jmessner]

Homer Kelley theorized that the having the Right Forearm “on plane” at impact would assist the golfer in resisting the forces at impact that could slow the clubhead down.

He also thought that having the forearm as an additional means of guiding the entire power package (the arms , hands, and club), and also the pivot, through the ball.

In my 25 years of constant research on and off the lesson tee, this is what I have found about the right forearm.

1. The Right Forearm is a good guide on the downswing for only a relative few golfers, and for a small percentage of patterns.

2. Right Elbow location is at least as important as Right Forearm location, but neither are as important as Right Forefinger Knuckle (the #3 pressure point) location.

3. A totally orthodox golf swing—one that would be in the dead center of the MANZELLA MATRIX—would not have the Right Forearm on plane at Address.

4. The forces that slow the clubhead down can not be “resisted” by forearm location.

5. The best golfer I have ever taught, David Wayne Toms, does NOT have his right forearm on plane at impact. But he has won 27 million dollars playing golf.
​

Back in 1989, I was all about getting the Right Forearm on plane at address, and adamant about getting it back plane as soon just before and at impact.

I spent a whole day that summer working with David Toms on getting his Right Forearm on plane just at impact.

The next day we played at Country Club of Louisiana and a couple of guys that couldn’t carry his jock, beat him by a few strokes. That’s when he uttered to me the famous—in close Manzella Golf circles—line:

“But it looks good on video, huh?”
​

That’s the day that the MANZELLA MATRIX was conceived. I realized that David absolutely hit it better when his right forearm was high AND OFF PLANE at impact. I realized that although I had golfers who had the forearms PERFECTLY on plane, they couldn’t beat David, mostly because David hit it straighter with the Driver and closer with the irons.

It is ABSOULTELY NOT an absolute.

What is absolute?

An impact interval clubhead path and clubface combination, at the appropriate speed, with the appropriate club, for the intended shot—that’s it!

This path is 3 dimensional, and it is relative to the golf ball. It includes the angle of decent, and the direction relative to the target.

The trick is finding your best means of creating those ideal impact conditions.

That’s where the MANZELLA MATRIX and Brian Manzella come in.

Fantastic post(TGM meets reality), but statement #3 really peaks some interest.

 

[Damon Lucas]

How do you feel about the right shoulder, Brian?
Great post, BTW.

 

[jtf8751]

I understand what your saying about finding the trick for ideal impact results and conditions. But we always hear from most teachers that you want the shaft and right forearm inline together (called the slot) on the downswing. I'm guessing that isn't an ideal situation for everyone either correct? Just asking.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Very IMPORTANT!

How do you feel about the right shoulder, Brian?

I think the Right Shoulder (for right handers and left for left handers) is VERY, important.

You could have your shoulders passing through I-80 in Chicago, and still have your club on 1-10 in New Orleans, but why?

Here are a few to ponder:

 

[bcoak]

I think the Right Shoulder (for right handers and left for left handers) is VERY, important.

You could have your shoulders passing through I-80 in Chicago, and still have your club on 1-10 in New Orleans, but why?

Here are a few to ponder:

What are we looking at here Brian?

 

[Brian Manzella]

What are we looking at here Brian?

Trail Shoulder Location/Plane.

You want Ummmph?

Use your trail shoulder correctly!

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

part of me wishes i learned to play golf lefty like i did hockey...i had one of the wickedest slapshots you have ever seen from such a little guy. Everyone said my slapshot motion was crazy until it whizzed past them from a 160lbs sophomore lol.

Then the other part of me realizes how little equiptment choices i would have and i guess i am smiling a bit more

 

[bcoak]

part of me wishes i learned to play golf lefty like i did hockey...i had one of the wickedest slapshots you have ever seen from such a little guy. Everyone said my slapshot motion was crazy until it whizzed past them from a 160lbs sophomore lol.

Then the other part of me realizes how little equiptment choices i would have and i guess i am smiling a bit more

Jim, What do you think the similarities are between the slapshot and the golf swing?

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Jim, What do you think the similarities are between the slapshot and the golf swing?

The slapshot is simply a steeper plane golf swing with a less emphasis on the pivot; that's why so many hockey players become very good golfers.

 

[birdie_man]

The slapshot is simply a steeper plane golf swing with a less emphasis on the pivot; that's why so many hockey players become very good golfers.

Very true.....I think there's not much throwout action and really no CF......note that a hockey player taking a SS does not end up pulled up to a full golf-like finish. Much like a golfer throwing clubs. (never out of rage though....uhhhh.....)

Less Swinging and PULLING with the left side and more....shall we say...."Hitting oriented"...........take it back.....get it in front of you, kinetic chain snapped (just like in Brian's "Firm Left Side" YouTube).....rip into with right side.............

Inclined plane AND you need clubface control baby (unlike baseball).....

...

BTW Jim.......I am not ambidextrous at all so I can't relate to it in the slightest (I can only do a few things with my left hand not including picking my nose and something I can't mention)........but- no right handed howitzer?

You can golf right-handed but can't play hockey RH?