I tried the right forearm takeaway this weekend and I have 2 questions. First, my playing partners said it looked like my takeaway was too flat or laid off. Second, I did not feel wound up like a normally due with my old takeaway which was more of a shoulder turn takeaway. Any ideas what I could be doing wrong?
Right forearm takeaway?
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birdie_man
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Trace that straight plane line.....don't worry about what you look like.
Actually- scratch that.
Check what you look like in a reflection yourself. But make sure you are tracing a straight plane line (your shaft is a flashlight- keep that light beam pointing at the plane line....plane line is straight, of course). MAKE SURE.
If you're laid off you could be holding your elbow in too much (which prolly would mean you're not actually tracing a straight plane line throughout your swing), or you could rolling the clubface open a lot on the backswing. I'd say being laid-off is do-able though (if it's cause you're rolling the face open). I like to roll is open lots with my long clubs (Standard Wrist Action I guess).
Actually- scratch that.
Check what you look like in a reflection yourself. But make sure you are tracing a straight plane line (your shaft is a flashlight- keep that light beam pointing at the plane line....plane line is straight, of course). MAKE SURE.
If you're laid off you could be holding your elbow in too much (which prolly would mean you're not actually tracing a straight plane line throughout your swing), or you could rolling the clubface open a lot on the backswing. I'd say being laid-off is do-able though (if it's cause you're rolling the face open). I like to roll is open lots with my long clubs (Standard Wrist Action I guess).
Brian Manzella
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Cliff....
Did you hit it better...or worse?
If you hit it worse, I would wacth it....or watch "Pivot Wars," Manzella Video Short #3.
Did you hit it better...or worse?
If you hit it worse, I would wacth it....or watch "Pivot Wars," Manzella Video Short #3.
BigBadDonkey
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I try to feel the palm of my right hand facing the ball as long as possible (make sure your pivot is turning good though or hook city)which keeps me more on plane and lift. I also feel like my head is almost moving to the left as it rotates at the start of my backswing (it doesn't). I love this static head, lift stuff.. transformed my game. 
I am a hitter and have swaying, flat, laid off tendancies though.
I am a hitter and have swaying, flat, laid off tendancies though.
Brian Manzella
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As far as 'doing it right or wrong'....
Just REACH for the right spot, and you be BE IN the right spot.
Get it?
Just REACH for the right spot, and you be BE IN the right spot.
Get it?
birdie_man
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I take it you like a STT Joe?
Brian Manzella
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Joe...I agree....I really do.
drewitgolf
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An inward turn produces an outward force.
drewitgolf
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This is what Gregg McHatton explained to me years ago:
As the Pivot (which is basically a sack containing all of its components) rotates, the club moves away from you. A sharp inward turn on the backswing would cause the club to fly away from you (not inward) if you let it go. The inward motion is based on the length of your lever.
When you say off plane, I making the assumption that you are talking an under plane motion as Mr. Kelley mentions in the book (I forget exactly where in the book). I teach both RFP and STT. RFP seems to work better for hitters and STT works better for swingers.
Why many say it causes an under plane motion escapes me.
As the Pivot (which is basically a sack containing all of its components) rotates, the club moves away from you. A sharp inward turn on the backswing would cause the club to fly away from you (not inward) if you let it go. The inward motion is based on the length of your lever.
When you say off plane, I making the assumption that you are talking an under plane motion as Mr. Kelley mentions in the book (I forget exactly where in the book). I teach both RFP and STT. RFP seems to work better for hitters and STT works better for swingers.
Why many say it causes an under plane motion escapes me.
BigBadDonkey
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I'm clueless, but here's my take....
Tiger Woods... static head, one piece takeaway, lots of lift, outside.. what is he?
David Tomms... static head, lots of lift, outside plane.. what is he?
etc. etc.
STT vs RFP ... silly discussion, lots of variables .... all the greats have very educated armshands they *put* their clubhands in the right place without knowing it?
OK, swingers need a bit of Cent. force.. usually lighter grip pressure?
Turn and lift, one piece, static head, job done.
Tiger Woods... static head, one piece takeaway, lots of lift, outside.. what is he?
David Tomms... static head, lots of lift, outside plane.. what is he?
etc. etc.
STT vs RFP ... silly discussion, lots of variables .... all the greats have very educated armshands they *put* their clubhands in the right place without knowing it?
OK, swingers need a bit of Cent. force.. usually lighter grip pressure?
Turn and lift, one piece, static head, job done.
PGA players have grooved their motions hitting millions of balls.
The RFP properly done is the easiet method to put the club on plane. All RFP requires is to pick the club up. No worries over shoulder turn, hip turn, pivot, etc. Just pick the club up. Up the wall and down the wall.
Practice with a laser, work on hinge ,lag and rhythm.
The RFP properly done is the easiet method to put the club on plane. All RFP requires is to pick the club up. No worries over shoulder turn, hip turn, pivot, etc. Just pick the club up. Up the wall and down the wall.
Practice with a laser, work on hinge ,lag and rhythm.
birdie_man
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I like this discussion.
I think it's good to remind yourself that you HAVE OPTIONS....and every golfer truly is different. There's just too many things to take into account to give everyone the same swing....whether that swing is "geometrically perfect" or "not" (not that you shouldn't tinker around with trying to achieve as much precision as possible).
And it may NOT be "geometrically perfect" (as Homer prefers) but... people AREN'T machines....it makes for a great analogy, and great SCIENCE!- I'm not knocking the book one bit....Homer did say there are "many precision patterns."
...people feel, think, have their own tendencies, personalities, biases, talents, builds, strengths, weaknesses, w/e, w/e...these things are all different to each person...feels, etc.
There's just no way you can list all the factors, and assign an exact weight to all the factors (but they do all come into play whether you realize it or not) to such an individual, human thing.
I mean....there's all kinds of different perspectives...the engineer's (Homer's) perspective is probably the most important one with regards to the golf SWING. But there are others to take into account in the game of golf.....full of the "human element."
It's all too easy to think that "RFP is THE WAY!" or this is THE way, or that is THE way.....etc.
Homer has done a great thing in cataloguing the mechanics of the (the? w/e...) golf swing...and he's done it better than anyone- EVER. He's allowed us to understand it in detail....he did this {mostly) from an engineer's perspective...mostly mechanical.
I think one of the greatest things about TGM is that it gives the golfer options. Homer has his preferences, sure. But in the end the decision is up to the individual.
-Paul
P.S. I also am starting to think that there are times when a STT (a swing where the golfer feels a turn of the shoulders as the first move- maybe even regardless of the plane...i.e. doesn't have to be "under-plane" either) can be more appropriate.
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