Right shoulder

[jerry1967]

Sometimes I swing and think of holding my right shoulder back and I get good distance and accuracy. What does this tell anybody about my swing?

 

[Kevin Shields]

That you over commit the right shoulder "out" too soon.

 

[Ringer]

You lose tilt.

 

[jerry1967]

That you over commit the right shoulder "out" too soon.

Ok but why do I commit the shoulder out to soon? Could it be that I am not getting the proper shoulder turn or not starting the down swing with my lower body?

 

[jerry1967]

You lose tilt.

Thanks Ringer but I need a little more information about your answer.

 

[teeithigh]

ive had the same issue thru the years and for me quieting the right sh. allows me to widen the gap between the grip and right sh. at start down..or in golf machine speak...release the accumulators...

 

[Kevin Shields]

Ok but why do I commit the shoulder out to soon? Could it be that I am not getting the proper shoulder turn or not starting the down swing with my lower body?

Or an open face, all are possibilities.

 

[jerry1967]

ive had the same issue thru the years and for me quieting the right sh. allows me to widen the gap between the grip and right sh. at start down..or in golf machine speak...release the accumulators...

But I thought in the golfing machine you are suppose to drive the right shoulder toward the ball.

Is this a improper sequence problem that I have?

 

[dolanski]

Read Kevin's first response again. He said you commit it TOO SOON. That means you should commit it, but that you do it too early. By definition, if it's too soon you're out of sequence.

 

[Deadly_Scope]

But I thought in the golfing machine you are suppose to drive the right shoulder toward the ball.

Is this a improper sequence problem that I have?

The golfing machine is wrong in this case. The right shoulder moves with a parallel relationship to the changing plane angle.

 

[Brian Manzella]

The golfing machine is wrong in this case. The right shoulder moves with a parallel relationship to the changing plane angle.

How about these apples:

The Right Shoulder goes down plane from the top NOT because of axis tilt!!

 

[Deadly_Scope]

How about these apples:

The Right Shoulder goes down plane from the top NOT because of axis tilt!!

Because it has to....?

The right shoulder automatically moves parallel to the changing plane angle regardless of where that plane angle is. That's my best guess on what you mean.

 

[Matt Bryda]

The Right Shoulder goes down plane from the top NOT because of axis tilt!!
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Because the shoulders CAN move independently of the hips?

Matt

 

[daveh]

Jerry, just curious, what are your misses when you don't hold your shoulder back?

 

[jerry1967]

Jerry, just curious, what are your misses when you don't hold your shoulder back?

Sometimes I pull the shot or I get a push or push slice, but somtimes I get a very good shot. So you see I am confused, do I hold it back or go with it down plane?

 

[ej20]

Is this "holding the shoulder back" similar to keeping the back facing the target for a split second on the downswing?If so,it's just one of many anti OTT moves that can be succesful with some players.

 

[jerry1967]

Is this "holding the shoulder back" similar to keeping the back facing the target for a split second on the downswing?If so,it's just one of many anti OTT moves that can be succesful with some players.

Yes you are right on this. If I hold the shoulder back and let the arms drop I get a good hit so I must be going over the top. The problem I have is when do I finally let the right shoulder go towards the target line? I can't think fast enough to first let my arms drop and then go with the shoulder. I need a key that helps me drop my arms and then go with shoulder.

 

[Ringer]

How about these apples:

The Right Shoulder goes down plane from the top NOT because of axis tilt!!

I am interested to hear the explanation.

 

[ej20]

Yes you are right on this. If I hold the shoulder back and let the arms drop I get a good hit so I must be going over the top. The problem I have is when do I finally let the right shoulder go towards the target line? I can't think fast enough to first let my arms drop and then go with the shoulder. I need a key that helps me drop my arms and then go with shoulder.

You are spot on that you can't think of too much on the downswing as it happens too fast.If indeed you have a tendency for an OTT right shoulder move,then you shouldn't be thinking of the right shoulder going towards the target line at all.You need to key on the right shoulder not just hanging back but dropping straight down at the same time.You might feel it's going straight down but in reality is probably going downplane but we probably need a video to confirm.

 

[jerry1967]

I am interested to hear the explanation.

Yes Ringer so would I because I always thought the axis tilt was the cause of the right shoulder going down plane.