Roger Maltbie Tiger Analysis

[Lifter]

During Sunday's final round, Maltbie observed that under pressure, Tiger tends to revert back to an old flaw, which was to lay the shaft off at the top too much. He said that was something ingrained in him during the Haney days and he's working to undo it.

Below is the video. That sound right?

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[spktho]

I would tend to agree that he would get underplane and come too far in to out which resulted in his hooks and blocks while under the coaching of Haney.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Its amazing that even the best go back to what they know under the gun. He got the right shoulder under late and got too inside when he was 15.

 

[DCgolf]

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But that flaw is not ingrained. His "instincts" from junior golf on through his early pro career was across the line. He worked like hell under Hank to NOT cross the line.

 

[DCgolf]

My personal feeling is he hit it best when it was across the line a little!

 

[SteveT]

Hmmmm... ingrained old neuro-muscular patterns emerging from his brain motor neurons when under stress.... where have I heard that before?!

 

[hp12c]

During Sunday's final round, Maltbie observed that under pressure, Tiger tends to revert back to an old flaw, which was to lay the shaft off at the top too much. He said that was something ingrained in him during the Haney days and he's working to undo it.

That sound right?

How many tournaments did he win with that old flaw.

 

[DCgolf]

How many tournaments did he win with that old flaw.

Yep. He could win left handed if he gets his mind back. The other thing about Maltbies observation (and I know and like Roger a lot) is that swing was not stuck, he felt it laid off or under up top and quickly tumbled it or steepened it too much. Which is what you have to do with under at the top (laid off). Just got it back over and stuck it in the ground a little. Tiger is turning a big corner IMO.

 

[Lifter]

Yep. He could win left handed if he gets his mind back. The other thing about Maltbies observation (and I know and like Roger a lot) is that swing was not stuck, he felt it laid off or under up top and quickly tumbled it or steepened it too much. Which is what you have to do with under at the top (laid off). Just got it back over and stuck it in the ground a little. Tiger is turning a big corner IMO.

DCgolf, I agree with you 100%! They showed Tiger's swing (long iron approach to the 14th I think) in super slo-mo. Maltbie said Tiger got stuck but the video clearly showed that he was not even close to stuck!

Anyway, out of curiosity, what should a golfer who successfully tumbles it like that do in order to not stick it in the ground?

 

[Lifter]

Below is the video. See for yourself. Sure looks like a great tumble to me! Not even close to stuck!

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[lia41985]

I don't know if Tiger has ever taken it away as "out front" as he did there. When the club is that out in front of you and you've strengthened your grip as much as Tiger has I am not surprised he laid it off in an effort to cut the ball. When he misses now, he misses left, which he used to hate but I guess he's learning to live with now. My guess is that he didn't want to live with it there so he bails out by not completing his turn.

 

[footwedge]

I don't know if Tiger has ever taken it away as "out front" as he did there. When the club is that out in front of you and you've strengthened your grip as much as Tiger has I am not surprised he laid it off in an effort to cut the ball. When he misses now, he misses left, which he used to hate but I guess he's learning to live with now. My guess is that he didn't want to live with it there so he bails out by not completing his turn.

Take away the 2 way miss. Take away one side and work off of the other side, so his miss should be left and slowly get that left miss under control.

 

[Todd Dugan]

First, "laying it off" is shifting the club onto a more leftward plane direction, not rightward. You could clearly see that the shaft, at the parallel to the ground point in the downswing, was parallel or even slightly leftward of his frontal plane alignment at address. The opposite of stuck. Tiger hasn't gotten "stuck" in years. When he misses right, its because the clubface is too open to the path....which is what happens when the plane direction becomes too leftward, to an otherwise intended clubface alignment, during collision.

But mostly, he hit that shot fat.....and the camera angle was not in position and thus slightly misleading. And with few exceptions, old TV golf announcers, who used to play on Tour, know very little about the golf swing.

 

[Jared Willerson]

They know a lot more about how to actually play golf though, which is why they were on Tour and is why they are commentating on golf now. Remember, we are watching people play golf on tv not golf swing.

For an on the spot 20 second analysis with no prep, I don't think it was that bad. I think he blurted out "stuck" because he couldn't find the words he really wanted to say. Tiger has said he was "stuck" for years, so Maltbie went with that. No harm no foul.

 

[ekennedy]

I think he looked up.

 

[fadegolfer]

Its amazing that even the best go back to what they know under the gun. He got the right shoulder under late and got too inside when he was 15.

Yeah its totally different under the gun in tournaments. Getting it on the range and at home is one thing, but underpressure in tournaments is a different story.

 

[Lifter]

First, "laying it off" is shifting the club onto a more leftward plane direction, not rightward. You could clearly see that the shaft, at the parallel to the ground point in the downswing, was parallel or even slightly leftward of his frontal plane alignment at address. The opposite of stuck. Tiger hasn't gotten "stuck" in years. When he misses right, its because the clubface is too open to the path....which is what happens when the plane direction becomes too leftward, to an otherwise intended clubface alignment, during collision.

But mostly, he hit that shot fat.....and the camera angle was not in position and thus slightly misleading. And with few exceptions, old TV golf announcers, who used to play on Tour, know very little about the golf swing.

Huh? What do you mean Tiger "hasn't gotten stuck in years"? When Tiger began using TrackMan in early 2011, Sean Foley was astounded to discover that his impacts were extremely in-to-out. In other words, Tiger was extremely "stuck" less than a year ago!

 

[magicmarker]

That was the worst I've seen Tiger play in a long while.

AYFKM?

I guess making clutch putts to tie the match and win the match on the final two holes means nothing, or you play with him at his home club where he can zip around in a cart and shoot 65 regularly.

Making the putts when you need to make them the most must have nothing to do with great golf

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

How many tournaments did he win with that old flaw.

That isn't the proper question to ask, the proper question is how many tournaments didn't he win with that flaw?

 

[mjstrong]

The golf swing is just a portion of the complete formula needed to win tournaments at the highest level. However, I realize that this is a forum based around discussing the swing.

Re: TV announcers - I don't get why they feel compelled to explain every missed shot. I much prefer the European Tour announcers; they'll comment on the miss, but not necessarily try to break it down and explain it to the viewers at home - hopefully because they realize that they might not know why each miss happened.