Rory's Right Shoulder, Right Arm, and Right Wrist Isolated

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Brian Manzella

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The first pic at the top, and in the bottom sequence are the ACTUAL positions.

The next (red) pic at the top is the position where the bottom sequence starts, ROTATED to isolate the arm/shoulder/hand movement, as independent of the pivot as possible.

Same with the bottom sequence.

Lots to learn here....

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Robbierob99

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... as independent of the pivot as possible.
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That's the hard part! For me the 2 main ingredients are: #1 Getting my back to the target (when I think its there, go even further), #2 "Getting Tangential" as Smoothly & Aggressively as I possibly can, without dipping the right shoulder. It almost feels like because I'm pulling/pushing so hard tangentially away from the ball with my hands/arms that it forces my hips to slide (not rotate) down field parallel to my target-line (again WITHOUT dipping the right Shoulder that kills everything - no clue where its going when I fail to not dip it).
 
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Jared Willerson

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Those are really good pics. Sometimes I still get the right elbow leading and it leads to a host of problems. The above pics are just one more reason I need to remind me that deep pitch elbow is not optimum or desirable.
 
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Dariusz J.

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Jared Willerson said:
Those are really good pics. Sometimes I still get the right elbow leading and it leads to a host of problems. The above pics are just one more reason I need to remind me that deep pitch elbow is not optimum or desirable.
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That's very interesting, Jared. It was not so long ago when I was almost crucified when glorifying pitch transforming into punch here. How times change quickly... :)
I am very delighted with scientific researches since lots of them confirm what I have been believing in quite from some time.

Cheers
 
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Original video (face-on, slow-motion sequence begins at 0:27):
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The right hand undergoes ulnar deviation, palmer flexion, and pronation to and through impact. When, where, how, and why (i.e. for what kind of shot that's being attempted) is the secret!
Robbierob99 said:
That's the hard part! For me the 2 main ingredients are: #1 Getting my back to the target (when I think its there, go even further), #2 "Getting Tangential" as Smoothly & Aggressively as I possibly can, without dipping the right shoulder. It almost feels like because I'm pulling/pushing so hard tangentially away from the ball with my hands/arms that it forces my hips to slide (not rotate) down field parallel to my target-line (again WITHOUT dipping the right Shoulder that kills everything - no clue where its going when I fail to not dip it).
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Don't be too hard on yourself. The former number 1 has a similar tendency and he works on some of the same things, as seen here:
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dbl

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It makes sense, and those pics make it clear as day. In my parlance, for late alpha, get the elbow and wrist lined up to make the motion EASY and joints inline (like the last 2 pics) with what you are trying to do
 
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Mike Richardson

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Brian Manzella said:
The first pic at the top, and in the bottom sequence are the ACTUAL positions.

The next (red) pic at the top is the position where the bottom sequence starts, ROTATED to isolate the arm/shoulder/hand movement, as independent of the pivot as possible.

Same with the bottom sequence.

Lots to learn here....

roryRIGHTARM.jpg
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In the first blue pic, is his palm almost pointing upwards?
 
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ggsjpc

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Ok. I admit it. I'm confused. The orientation of the pictures as they relate to when and where they actually occurred are messing me up. At least two of the pictures are post impact. Why does it help to see them lined up this way?
 
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Mike Richardson

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ggsjpc said:
Ok. I admit it. I'm confused. The orientation of the pictures as they relate to when and where they actually occurred are messing me up. At least two of the pictures are post impact. Why does it help to see them lined up this way?
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What I take out of them is that there's no right elbow leading the hand into impact like all those underarm throwing analogies.
 
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ZAP

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Oh damn. I think i figured it out. Now I just have to hope I can sleep tonight so I can try it out tomorrow. Might be my lightbulb moment for the no tug swing. At least I have a few hours of hope.:cool: reading is fundamental
 
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ggsjpc

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Bump:

If anyone would be so kind to help me out on this one I would be greatly appreciative.

"Ok. I admit it. I'm confused. The orientation of the pictures as they relate to when and where they actually occurred are messing me up. At least two of the pictures are post impact. Why does it help to see them lined up this way? "
 
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Bigwill

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It should make it easier to see what the arm is doing. With the arm moving in space via the pivot, it can potentially distort what the limb alone is actually doing.

I think that by isolating it in this way, Brian's trying to accurately show exactly the movements of the arm itself.
 
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ggsjpc

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Bigwill,

Thank you for your help.

I love the idea of showing the isolated right arm but is that the actual orientation of Rory's right arm in his swing as depicted by the pictures?

If so, that's a real eye opener.

JG
 
ggsjpc

ggsjpc

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Nate,

Ok. So maybe I'm not crazy. That's what I thought also but not sure if that is right.

Can anyone confirm that?
 
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