Rotated vs Turned shoulder plane

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Jim Kobylinski

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This has got to be one of the foggiest things in my head. How can you not say that Tom's shoulders are not 90* to his spine? Isn't that the definition of "rotated shoulder turn?"

Please explain to me how it's flat, i'll believe you B-man i just don't understand it right now.
 
This has got to be one of the foggiest things in my head. How can you not say that Tom's shoulders are not 90* to his spine? Isn't that the definition of "rotated shoulder turn?"

Please explain to me how it's flat, i'll believe you B-man i just don't understand it right now.

I also am foggy man.

I just figured with the backswing up the TSP and his pivot etc. it had to be Rotated.

I guess Toms does look flatter than Els though. (shoulder-turn-wise) Or maybe it's just David's forward torso lean? (more upright)

Purple haze- all in my brain.
 
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This has got to be one of the foggiest things in my head. How can you not say that Tom's shoulders are not 90* to his spine? Isn't that the definition of "rotated shoulder turn?"

Please explain to me how it's flat, i'll believe you B-man i just don't understand it right now.

I'll share my take Jim.

Like Brian mentioned, I think there is some "shrugging" of the left shoulder/lowering of the right in a flat shoulder turn (just as there would be some right shoulder shrug/lowering of the left in a steep turn).

If Toms went to the top of his backswing, froze his entire upper body in place and just "unrotated" his hips until his chest was back to address position, I think you would see his left shoulder higher and right shoulder lower than they were at address. (Hope I explained that well enough.)

Brian, sound correct?
 
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