Science is not a Swing!

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In reality, a golf swing is a best guess by the brain to execute a swinging motion to hopefully hit the ball with the desired result. It's a best guess trial and error effort that is made consistent through practice.

The golf swing gets complicated when ignorance and incompetence mix in a homemade golf swing consciously attempted. You can't consciously think your way through a golfswing when playing, it must be automatic to be effective.

You think you can feel your golf swing but you can't even see it in your eye's mind. You mostly sense the arms and hands because they are the most brain sensitive parts of the swing. You can't really feel your feet, legs, hips, torso or shoulders in a meaningful manner because the feedback is too insensitive.

Even if you take videos of your golf swing, you will not be able to translate what you see into what you are feeling when you swing. A video is visually objective, a swing is subjective. Conscious change is only done in solitary practice, not on the golf course.

If you believe you can consciously attain a new scientific golf swing motion on your own, you are deluding yourself. What you imagine you have achieved today on the range will have either changed or disappeared tomorrow because you haven't developed secure and correct neuro-muscular pathways within your body. A huge amount of Hogan-like masochistic practice is necessary to make your instant 'magic move' an automatic part of your golf swing. Just because you 'know' doesn't mean you 'can'.

If you still think science will help you with your homemade golf swing think again. What will help you is a golf instructor who understands the sciences that define the golfswing, and can apply it to your swing faults, without even getting scientific about it. Curiously, some golfers believe if they know some scientific solution to their swing problem, they can transform that knowledge into an instantly cured golf swing. Hard to believe such dubious claims and on the internet too!

Only by submitting yourself to a qualified golf instructor/teacher to resolve your problems and who can then observe your golf swing progress can you succeed. An objective pair of eyes plus swing data (Trackman, videos, etc.) enables an experienced golf instructor to analyze your swing in action (kinematics) and then determine what (kinetic) force applications are required to fix your faults.

If you believe swing changes can be made permanent after a few tries, then you are kinesthetically superior to Hogan, Faldo, Woods, others, who when attempting to make swing changes have taken months if not years to attain the changes, and for most under the watchful eyes of their swing coach. No current professional golfer would dare make 'golf tip' swing changes on his/her own without the guidance of a swing coach. Trying it on their own would be risky, idiotic too!

A little bit of (scientific) knowledge is dangerous, because science is an objective not subjective experiment. It's difficult if not impossible to be totally objective about your golf swing in action, even from videos. Scientific miracles are only achieved under highly controlled laboratory conditions.

Brian and his associates are working to develop a more potent teaching method with their scientifically-based Project 1.68 knowledge. Reading about the science is fine, but trying to do it on your own is not advisable. Seek help.
 
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Only by submitting yourself to a qualified golf instructor/teacher to resolve your problems and who can then observe your golf swing progress can you succeed. An objective pair of eyes plus swing data (Trackman, videos, etc.) enables an experienced golf instructor to analyze your swing in action (kinematics) and then determine what (kinetic) force applications are required to fix your faults.

No professional golfer would dare make 'golf tip' swing changes on his/her own without the guidance of a swing coach. Trying it on their own would be risky, idiotic too!

A lot said here SteveT.

Are you also suggesting in the first part of what I quoted that a golf instructor should not be instructing without a Trackman type device, video, etc.? Because if they aren't, then how do you know if their eyes are objective?

I would bet many professional golfers utilize "swing tips" and things they see from other players, not just from "coaches".

A little bit of (scientific) knowledge is dangerous, because science is an objective not subjective experiment. It's difficult if not impossible to be totally objective about your golf swing in action, even from videos. Scientific miracles are only achieved under highly controlled laboratory conditions.

Brian and his associates are working to develop a more potent teaching method with their scientifically-based Project 1.68 knowledge. Reading about the science is fine, but trying to do it on your own is not advisable. Seek help.

I agree with this, but I'm still going to try out some of the information on my own--as I bet you will too.

On a side, aren't comments like these actually trying to dissuade Brian's forum followers from seeking to improve?
 
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The golf swing gets complicated when ignorance and incompetence mix in a homemade golf swing consciously attempted. You can't consciously think your way through a golfswing when playing, it must be automatic to be effective.



Even if you take videos of your golf swing, you will not be able to translate what you see into what you are feeling when you swing. A video is visually objective, a swing is subjective. Conscious change is only done in solitary practice, not on the golf course.
Steve, I agree with the above two paragraphs. Here is a link to something my friend wrote that is relevant to what you are talking about. It's pretty interesting to see what stage you fall into. How many recreational golfers actually play in stage 6 or 7? Not sure where you are going with the rest of your post. I've learned alot via videos, internet forums, etc...https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TDn-w9dw5JQ45QbDANocd-RP6ILq6M_mhh6vHzwHl3k/edit
 
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That is a lot of words with no pictures to break it up. I do have to say that understanding the science has helped me to continue to work on the things Brian and Kevin have tried to teach me. Am I allowed to work on these things on my own? Seems like I might need permission or something. Is there a form to fill out? Does my mom have to witness it?
 
If you believe you can consciously attain a new scientific golf swing motion on your own, you are deluding yourself. What you imagine you have achieved today on the range will have either changed or disappeared tomorrow because you haven't developed secure and correct neuro-muscular pathways within your body. A huge amount of Hogan-like masochistic practice is necessary to make your instant 'magic move' an automatic part of your golf swing. Just because you 'know' doesn't mean you 'can'.

If you still think science will help you with your homemade golf swing think again. What will help you is a golf instructor who understands the sciences that define the golfswing, and can apply it to your swing faults, without even getting scientific about it. Curiously, some golfers believe if they know some scientific solution to their swing problem, they can transform that knowledge into an instantly cured golf swing. Hard to believe such dubious claims and on the internet too!

Only by submitting yourself to a qualified golf instructor/teacher to resolve your problems and who can then observe your golf swing progress can you succeed. An objective pair of eyes plus swing data (Trackman, videos, etc.) enables an experienced golf instructor to analyze your swing in action (kinematics) and then determine what (kinetic) force applications are required to fix your faults.

Brian and his associates are working to develop a more potent teaching method with their scientifically-based Project 1.68 knowledge. Reading about the science is fine, but trying to do it on your own is not advisable. Seek help.

Just don't tell Bubba...
 
Yes, but Bubba's not a "real" golfer unless he knows the science behind hitting 340 yard drives. Just imagine how good he would be if Steve explained it to him.
 
Yes, but Bubba's not a "real" golfer unless he knows the science behind hitting 340 yard drives. Just imagine how good he would be if Steve explained it to him.

Hey eman, maybe you should read the post again before slagging tman off. Especially the bit about trial and error.
 
I agree, I can't see sh*t through my "eye's mind" either. Sorry Steve but you called out somebody else for golfing not being a word, I'm sure you can take it...
 
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JUST ONE good idea can TRANSFORM A GOLF GAME almost instantly and FOREVER.

Really.

No disagreement here, and as I said:

"What will help you is a golf instructor who understands the sciences that define the golfswing, and can apply it to your swing faults, without even getting scientific about it."

... and....

"Only by submitting yourself to a qualified golf instructor/teacher to resolve your problems and who can then observe your golf swing progress can you succeed."

... and....

"An objective pair of eyes plus swing data (Trackman, videos, etc.) enables an experienced golf instructor to analyze your swing in action (kinematics) and then determine what (kinetic) force applications are required to fix your faults."


Hey, no disagreement here.....
 
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