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Watched Episode #5 again and while the focus was on JN, Sergio is another prime example of that move. What is actually increasing the lag in Sergio's move? Is the right wrist bending back more? Or is he just leaving his hands at the top and holdng on while he pivots though which does it?

As evidenced by my recent posts, I am trying to figure out a way to do this to help generate more lag, esp. on the downswing becuase IMO that is really where it matters and it is where I am having trouble generating it.

Really would love some thoughts/drills to get more like Sergio.
 
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I remember watching a TV prog about Sergio about 5-6 years ago...
They showed him in a gym using a tensioned strap which was attached to a pulley and the wall bars. He was going to the top (of his "backswing") and then pulling down diagonally forward (pivoting a la forward swing towards impact) on the strap as hard as he could...
I think he must have created some pretty useful muscles doing this....
Unfortunately most of us mere mortals don't have access to that type of contraption (I would love to know if anyone knows what it is..:))...
An old boy (very old) told me years ago to imagine the clubshaft was stroking my neck on the downswing....does give you a different feeling on the way down...but you have to be damn rapid releasing in time at the bottom...
 
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puttmad said:
I remember watching a TV prog about Sergio about 5-6 years ago...
They showed him in a gym using a tensioned strap which was attached to a pulley and the wall bars. He was going to the top (of his "backswing") and then pulling down diagonally forward (pivoting a la forward swing towards impact) on the strap as hard as he could..
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Interesting. The gym at work has a device that you can get in golf stance and pull down on a weight. I did it at lunch and you can really feel how the club lags back and how your body should work. I was just holding on and leaving my arms still and moving my pivot and arms would lag down.
 
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<Is the right wrist bending back more? Or is he just leaving his hands at the top and holdng on while he pivots though which does it?>

IMO, both, and as a result of the forces reacting to the change in direction with a well orchestrated pivot.

Here's something else for thought. To get that look, I've picked up the pace of my swing a bit to a bunch, but still being the smooth operator. It's the blue danube waltz notched up to what feels near brake dance speed. It's not jerky, but more fluid and up tempo gracefulness...
 
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bcoak said:
Interesting. The gym at work has a device that you can get in golf stance and pull down on a weight. I did it at lunch and you can really feel how the club lags back and how your body should work. I was just holding on and leaving my arms still and moving my pivot and arms would lag down.
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Another 2000 repetitions and you'll have it cracked then...:D

Looks like the gym every lunchtime eh?....
 
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puttmad said:
I remember watching a TV prog about Sergio about 5-6 years ago...
They showed him in a gym using a tensioned strap which was attached to a pulley and the wall bars. He was going to the top (of his "backswing") and then pulling down diagonally forward (pivoting a la forward swing towards impact) on the strap as hard as he could...
I think he must have created some pretty useful muscles doing this....
Unfortunately most of us mere mortals don't have access to that type of contraption (I would love to know if anyone knows what it is..:))...
An old boy (very old) told me years ago to imagine the clubshaft was stroking my neck on the downswing....does give you a different feeling on the way down...but you have to be damn rapid releasing in time at the bottom...
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I think you can do something like this if you use powerlifting bands, ive tried it i hook on end of the band to something above and behind me (i used a door) then i got into a top of the backswing position grab the other end of the band and do the move you describe, the bands resist this move tremendously.
 
bcoak

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Came across this about Sergio:
I have been told that the young Sergio developed his lag thanks to a couple of drills his father, Victor, a teaching professional at The Club de Golf de Mediterraneo in Valencia, had him practice. The rumor suggests that Victor had Sergio swinging full-sized clubs at a very young age. With the supervision of his father, Sergio used these otherwise too heavy and too long clubs to develop his now incredibly dynamic and efficient golf swing. That is because it is easier for a child to initiate the downswing with heavy clubs by dragging or pulling the butt or grip end of the club lengthwise down toward the ball in a motion resembling the action of pulling an arrow, feather end first, lengthwise out of a quiver attached behind the archer’s shoulder. We call that "accelerating the club lengthwise." Another drill his father used with Sergio featured elastic tubing wedged between the top of a door and the doorframe. Once the tubing was attached, Victor had Sergio grip the end of the tube nearest the ground and make a pulling action to simulate a downstroke with a club. This drill produces the feeling of maximum downcocking.
 
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rmadden

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coaks- i believe the playes with the most lag typically have a relativly quick change of direction and fairly aggressive lower body action.
 
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birdie_man said:
Interesting bcoak....where'd u find that???
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I think it is an article from Greg McHatton which is on the net somewhere. It is fascinating how nobody has reallt talked to Sergios father about how he taught his son such a great, dynamic swing.... we know how to "train a Tiger"...but Sergio's dad has been very quiet on the approach he took with his son.
 
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Jim Kobylinski

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Brian has said that forever and most good coaches probably have too. Best way to teach a young kid to play is to have them play with clubs a bit too long and a bit too heavy.

This forces them to create a lot of trigger delay and really really nice pivots. Otherwise they'd have no chance of hitting the ball. Ever watch a young junior who hits the ball really well?

They look like Mike Finney, just a tiny version. Very dynamic pivots with a lot of delay.
 
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Besides this Jim, what do you then believe to be the key components in training juniors
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I don't have enough experience so i really couldn't answer, if you do a search brian has responsed to a question similar.

In short, in my limited experience, just make everything a game with rewards. Otherwise it will get boring for them. Also just let them watch really good players and let them mimic them as much as possible.
 
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It seems kind of wasteful to thrive for this position. There are many players that wallop the ball without gumby lag. It seems like yet another road to get lost on...
 
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self-mastery said:
It seems kind of wasteful to thrive for this position. There are many players that wallop the ball without gumby lag. It seems like yet another road to get lost on...
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There's feel vs. real though. Striving to produce a Serio type move requires a good pivot relaxed arms and hands, all beneficial. I know when I try it and feel like I did it well, my ball striking is much better - more solid, higher and longer.
 
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