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willimatic

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out of the shaft! Anyone have a tough time with this feeling, especially coming from a pull the handle too much and get the shaft to far forward type of motion.

what's the best way to work on this?
 
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david sandridge

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Shoot, Hold, Rest

Ben Doyle used a tee in a PVC tube to demo. I would like to hear more discussion of right arm participation, throw and description of drill as I am working on that now. Thanks
 
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Brian Manzella

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No, no, no, no, & no!

The left wrist uncocking makes the marble "shoot the tube."

The right wrist DOES NOT HAVE TO BEND FOR THIS TO HAPPEN!!!! :rolleyes::eek::cool:
 
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How would one practice uncocking the left wrist, any drills? Seems more like a right wrist action to me but I'll take the big guys advice.
 
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actively releasing the club sure feels weird. Almost a lack of control feeling for me, but I'm sure once I can release it hard my game will thank me for it. I've managed to play pretty good golf without a good release. I spent so many years trying to keep the lag and have the club handle ahead that I learned not to let the club go.
 
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willimatic said:
How would one practice uncocking the left wrist, any drills? Seems more like a right wrist action to me but I'll take the big guys advice.
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Left wrist cock/uncock is a perpendicular, hammering type of, motion whereas right wrist bend (does not cock) is a horizontal motion.

The bending right arm on the back swing cocks the left wrist and the straightening of the right arm on the down swing (not wrist) will take care of the uncocking.
 
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david sandridge

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more help needed

Thanks Brian. I have enjoyed the video of you throwing the ball and have tried to use that concept to help me release. I realize that the right wrist doesn't uncock but the right arm straightens. Good post Burner. So when I go to the range tomorrow I will try out the "swing thought" shoot the marble with my left wrist uncocking and not try throwing the ball(club) with my right arm. Or should I practice both. I know at the International Institute of Golf here at Lake Keowee (Jeff Oligivie, Matt Goggin are students of these Aussies) they use a right arm drill, hitting the ball with only the right arm and club taking virtually no divot. So what suggestions do you guys have to integrate these swing thoughts and tips that might help me release the club properly. Should I work on Brians throwing the ball, shooting the marble or both. Is it a right sided, left sided or two handed game. Then should I select what works best for me
 
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if you use ulnar deviation while you are supinating the left wrist you should get serious pop on that marble without losing the bend in your right wrist!
 
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Burner said:
Left wrist cock/uncock is a perpendicular, hammering type of, motion whereas right wrist bend (does not cock) is a horizontal motion.

The bending right arm on the back swing cocks the left wrist and the straightening of the right arm on the down swing (not wrist) will take care of the uncocking.
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Burner, I want to comment that this is the yellow book party line. However, I have concluded that real life does not work that way. One arm swings with either left arm or right arm shows the right elbow and right wrist action is not so. Brian has also admitted that yes the right wrist does cock to some degree. Therefore in the downswing it uncocks some also.
 
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As you are preforming your downswing the swivel of the left forearm should cause a slight bowing of the left wrist or to think about the back of the left wrist pointing down toward the target line on the ground. this keeps the right wrist bent while releasing the left wrist cocking.
 
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dbl said:
Burner, I want to comment that this is the yellow book party line. However, I have concluded that real life does not work that way. One arm swings with either left arm or right arm shows the right elbow and right wrist action is not so. Brian has also admitted that yes the right wrist does cock to some degree. Therefore in the downswing it uncocks some also.
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Any cocking of the right wrist has consequential cupping of the left wrist issues and should, therefor, be avoided like the plague.
 
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Burner said:
Any cocking of the right wrist has consequential cupping of the left wrist issues and should, therefor, be avoided like the plague.
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That answer sounds a bit too broad and 'bookish' as well. I would say depends on the grip, as well as the particular person's joints. Ain't no problem for me unless the right hand gets too weak, and even then isn't so dire.

Look at Ernie Els or Hogan for people who put a cup in (not necessarily through RW cock) and then take it out.
 
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dbl said:
That answer sounds a bit too broad and 'bookish' as well. I would say depends on the grip, as well as the particular person's joints. Ain't no problem for me unless the right hand gets too weak, and even then isn't so dire.

Look at Ernie Els or Hogan for people who put a cup in (not necessarily through RW cock) and then take it out.
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A very slight cupping of the left wrist could still be the anatomically flat left wrist of the golfer in question. No problem.

However, some golfers, Hogan e.g, cupped for a reason and were good enough to get benefit from it - as was his intent.

Unintended cupping however, right wrist cocking generated, is a very common swing flaw requiring compensations to correct. These compensations are beyond the realm of most golfers who inadvertantly cup via right wrist cocking and should therefore be avoided like the plague.

What is this "book thing" that you seem to be so prejudiced against?
 
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The book thing I am against is the insistence the right elbow is solely responsible for wrist cocking. Similarly I also am against the continuation of the idea that the right wrist does not cock.

There have been many arguments over the internet with tgm book literalists against right wrist cocking. As it turns out our host says it happens and good players do it.

I think misconceptions that tgm aficionados have propagated have held me back in some areas and so I'd like a clear chance for others not to get bad info.

Here are some of our host's comments on right wrist cocking, and I am going with his take on the subject.

http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/...-right-wrist-condition-vs-tgm.html#post122452
Where Brian says:

Brian Manzella said:
ANYONE who ever played this particular game, knew that the right wrist bends only (doesn't cock) concept was very wrong. They also knew that the "fixed" position of the right wrist throughout the swing would produce powerless shots.
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http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/...93-type-grip-most-wrist-hinge.html#post121706
Brian Manzella said:
using my definitions—if you want more right wrist COCK, then you want a really STRONG right hand grip. If you want BEND, then a weaker right hand will do the trick.
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http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/...deo-answers-current-questions.html#post118406
Brian Manzella said:
Everybody who can play a lick, cocks their right wrist.

If I ever said otherwise, I was DEAD wrong.

For most, TRYING NOT TO cock your right wrist is a good idea.
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And in this thread regarding the backswing of a particular golfer:
http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/...ttle-feedback-dtl-swing-video.html#post139213
Brian Manzella said:
You need more left wrist, and right wrist COCK on the takeaway, and you left thumb and elbow more under near the finish.
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