Shortening the radius to release - anyone doing it with an up-tug on the left arm?

[DCgolf]

The other side of this is the SMALLEST change can work better. It's not all or nothing.

 

[wulsy]

That is to say impact is different but the swings that produce it are indecipherable. Sure if I fire and fall back, block one and flip one, way different impact numbers, but little to no difference in the swing. Two way misses. Happens a lot. Call it saving the swing or whatever, my point is I was not in any significantly different position to support impact. This is where TRACKMAN has a shortcoming. You can zero it out by luck, or at least in such a way you can't repeat it. I teach a tournament player who suffers from zeros on the range and pull hooks in competition.

Sorry DC, I would have to disagree here. If you can get someone hitting the ball straighter by feeling a change so subtle that it is not visible on video, but is perceptable to that player then that is perhaps the very essence of golf instruction.

Because at the end of the day, who is really going to overhaul their swing so that it is so different that it actually LOOKS like a "new" swing?

I've done this to a certain degree with my own swing but it is still very much "affected" by my old moves, good and bad. Your average hobby golfer could not implement the changes I have implemented because he does not have the time or desire or talent.

 

[Frans@France]

This is where TRACKMAN has a shortcoming. You can zero it out by luck, or at least in such a way you can't repeat it. I teach a tournament player who suffers from zeros on the range and pull hooks in competition.

imho it's not the shortcoming of the TM, it means you need others tools to see the complete swing like a 3d system. combine TM with such a system and you will be able to identify the difference in the two swings.

zero out by luck has no real meaning unless you can repeat it, then it's not luck anymore but pure talent

 

[DCgolf]

The face to path can change drastically with something as simple as a grip change. The path has not changed at all. So you will SEE no difference. Might not have to change. No new move just a compatible face. Or a ball position change. Who's gonna SEE that in the move? But the TM numbers will change for sure. My original point remains. The "this way versus that way" is not as different as one might think. I mentored under John Jacobs and fixed A LOT of ball flight before TM AND before video. Just not that different of a move.

 

[puttmaster]

The face to path can change drastically with something as simple as a grip change. The path has not changed at all. So you will SEE no difference. Might not have to change. No new move just a compatible face. Or a ball position change. Who's gonna SEE that in the move? But the TM numbers will change for sure. My original point remains. The "this way versus that way" is not as different as one might think. I mentored under John Jacobs and fixed A LOT of ball flight before TM AND before video. Just not that different of a move.

DC - on a side note, I spent a week at a John Jacobs Golf School (Lake Nona, 1989?). One of the most enjoyable and educational weeks of my life. Hit a bazillion balls. I can still hear one of the instructors saying to me, "swing down, swing down, swing down" to stop OTT move.

Now I just need a week at a BManz school.

 

[DCgolf]

DC - on a side note, I spent a week at a John Jacobs Golf School (Lake Nona, 1989?). One of the most enjoyable and educational weeks of my life. Hit a bazillion balls. I can still hear one of the instructors saying to me, "swing down, swing down, swing down" to stop OTT move.

Now I just need a week at a BManz school.

Maybe Orlando World Center in 89?

 

[puttmaster]

Maybe Orlando World Center in 89?

No, it was at Lake Nona, 1989 -- we stayed in the guest lodge rooms that were on-site. It was a Golf Magazine/John Jacobs Golf School. Lake Nona had been opened for only a year or two. Great experience. Still utilize GASP.

 

[DCgolf]

No, it was at Lake Nona, 1989 -- we stayed in the guest lodge rooms that were on-site. It was a Golf Magazine/John Jacobs Golf School. Lake Nona had been opened for only a year or two. Great experience. Still utilize GASP.

That's funny. Was I one of the instructors? I taught Nona, World Center, Naples, Scottsdale, Palm Springs, geez i think a few other sites too from oh, 87/88 to mid 90s?

 

[puttmaster]

That's funny. Was I one of the instructors? I taught Nona, World Center, Naples, Scottsdale, Palm Springs, geez i think a few other sites too from oh, 87/88 to mid 90s?

You may have been one of them, DC. It was a good group of instructors. Just remember that a lady instructor is the one who conducted my parting review, take-home instructions packet, etc. That JJGS packet disappeared about two relocations ago but I can still repeat the instructions in my mind, verbatim.