so cool! can't wait to have my 1st trackman fitting.
So, You want numbers? I've got numbers!
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so cool! can't wait to have my 1st trackman fitting.
Kevin Shields
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Whoa! Check out the big brains on everyone. I'm really out of my league on this one!
Steve Greffen
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That's okay Kevin. You don't need to know how to do the math to fix the swing. Just get the numbers from them and seems like you are getting a really firm grasp on the other stuff!
Steve
Kevin Shields
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Whew! Im glad you can visualize the DPlane without all those friggin' numbers. I was starting to get a stomach ache. Or maybe its just all that chocolate I pilfered from my kids while they were asleep.
TROYNYGOLFER
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Calling Mandrin
Kevin, join the crowd, and I suspect we are not alone. I was a MCL graduate in Chemistry and I was lost about 15 posts ago. Glad I minored in Economics instead of Math, I would probably still be my junior year.
Perhaps Mandrin will wander into the topic and translate this into Golf For Dummies format.
Kevin, join the crowd, and I suspect we are not alone. I was a MCL graduate in Chemistry and I was lost about 15 posts ago. Glad I minored in Economics instead of Math, I would probably still be my junior year.
Perhaps Mandrin will wander into the topic and translate this into Golf For Dummies format.
Kevin Shields
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Haha. I know all the reasons behind all this but when dem der numbers start poppin up......i defer to BMan.
(Didnt do to well in Math class back in the day)
(Didnt do to well in Math class back in the day
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Michael Jacobs
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Kevin, you still drinking the diet mountain dews?
Kevin Shields
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Funny you should mention that. Ever since you said that, I feel light headed when I drink one on an empty stomach. I think its gonna have to be a new years resolution thing. But I think I'm committed. Dont want to grow a second head or anything.
Brian Manzella
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Obviously.
But, what are you REALLY trying to say.
My swings didn't look that different did they?
If anything the math assumes the clubhead is moving in a straight line. Any arc the clubhead is moving in, the time and distance interval is negligable.
As Brian mentioned a while back, the True Path is shown as a straight line.
My understanding is that Trackman measures speed, spin, directions, etc. The vast majority of the numbers given by Trackman are measured and not calculated anyway. Smash Factor would be one of the calculated numbers coming from two measured speeds.
Note that the limiting factor is the degree of error in Trackman's measuring capabilities.
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Brian Manzella
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geez...
ggsjpc
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Obviously.
But, what are you REALLY trying to say.
My swings didn't look that different did they?
This has nothing to do with your swings and no they didn't look that different.
I thought you didn't like information that isn't exactly correct. Whoops.
The straight line part I don't have a problem with.
The problem I have is there is no way you'd get a 1 to 1 relationship at 45 degree vsp unless you're dealing with a circle.
If everyone is clear and ok with that than fine.
If they didn't know, now they do.
I agree that most of the trackman numbers are measured.
That sheet is not measured.
That 1 to 1 relationship is not measured.
No agenda.
Just facts.
Brian Manzella
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I thought you didn't like information that isn't exactly correct. Whoops.
The problem I have is there is no way you'd get a 1 to 1 relationship at 45 degree vsp unless you're dealing with a circle.
Ok.
Let's say that on a straight base line (Horizontal Swing Plane) the club is moving down (Angle of Attack) 10 degrees on a 45° angle.
The "Math" says that the club would be traveling 10° outward.
Ok.
I say that no matter which way you draw your lines, it is pretty much dead on.
Think about it.
If it were MORE OUT it would be MORE DOWN.
Give me an example of how it could be really wrong.
Don't hurt yourself.
ggsjpc
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Brain is starting to hurt.
Good chance I might be wrong because it's degrees relative to vertical not degrees relative to the shape.
It was the line thing savydan mentioned.
I had a huge long explanation of ellipses and pushing them in the ground and talking about how the angles in the ellipse don't stay the same as you travel around in degree terms.
I went and looked back at the trackman newsletter and it talked about degrees relative to vertical.
So.
At this point I must withdraw, refortify and regroup.
Clobbered on that one.
For me, this is exactly why I do what I do. Now, I have a complete understanding of how trackman works and can visualize drawing a line in 3d space and coming up with these answers.
It is so clear now. I know it's annoying to argue with me all the time but it's very helpful to me.
Thank you.
Good chance I might be wrong because it's degrees relative to vertical not degrees relative to the shape.
It was the line thing savydan mentioned.
I had a huge long explanation of ellipses and pushing them in the ground and talking about how the angles in the ellipse don't stay the same as you travel around in degree terms.
I went and looked back at the trackman newsletter and it talked about degrees relative to vertical.
So.
At this point I must withdraw, refortify and regroup.
Clobbered on that one.
For me, this is exactly why I do what I do. Now, I have a complete understanding of how trackman works and can visualize drawing a line in 3d space and coming up with these answers.
It is so clear now. I know it's annoying to argue with me all the time but it's very helpful to me.
Thank you.
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Brian Manzella
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More distance
Brian,
Gotta give you some props for all the "Trackman, D-plane, Zeroing Out, etc" discussions here of late.
I've always been a bit of a "too-steep AOA" driver of the golf ball and thus a high-spin guy that always searched out the lowest spinning driver, but always with minimal effect on my real-world results. Deep down I knew that, like most things with the golf swing, a low-spin driver was really just a band-aid that wasn't going to fix anything.
It's all pretty logical stuff..... hitting up slightly, aim right, zero things out, but I simply never put much effort into it for fear of messing up the rest of my game. Well, last night I hit about 40 drivers trying to hit up slightly (moving the ball a bit left in my setup), aiming a tad right, paying attention to the forward lean of the shaft, etc, and I could see/feel a difference. It's tough to determine at the range how significant the difference was but today when playing the course it was noticeable. Less spin and a "hotter" ball after it hit the ground equating to longer drives.
I don't understand all the TM stuff yet, but I plan to get much better versed in it.
Thanks,
Rob
Brian,
Gotta give you some props for all the "Trackman, D-plane, Zeroing Out, etc" discussions here of late.
I've always been a bit of a "too-steep AOA" driver of the golf ball and thus a high-spin guy that always searched out the lowest spinning driver, but always with minimal effect on my real-world results. Deep down I knew that, like most things with the golf swing, a low-spin driver was really just a band-aid that wasn't going to fix anything.
It's all pretty logical stuff..... hitting up slightly, aim right, zero things out, but I simply never put much effort into it for fear of messing up the rest of my game. Well, last night I hit about 40 drivers trying to hit up slightly (moving the ball a bit left in my setup), aiming a tad right, paying attention to the forward lean of the shaft, etc, and I could see/feel a difference. It's tough to determine at the range how significant the difference was but today when playing the course it was noticeable. Less spin and a "hotter" ball after it hit the ground equating to longer drives.
I don't understand all the TM stuff yet, but I plan to get much better versed in it.
Thanks,
Rob
Kevin Shields
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Just to make certain you're clear about a minor detail....hitting down on a driver wont in itself create more spin.
Steve Greffen
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Kevin,
I know this from the GTE and thread discussion, but what will get more spin? I actually have the reverse of a lot of players with decent club head speed, not enough spin.
Thanks,
Steve
Kevin Shields
Super Moderator
More speed, centerness of contact, different shaft, and more loft. And a different ball.
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