Soft Draw Poster Boy?

[Jared Willerson]

I love Cabreras swing from the top down. I think his swing would be a bit better if he didn't pop out as he gets in a non pop out top of the backswing position anyway.

We'll see when Brian comes out with Soft Fade.....you are going to do that Brian? Right?

 

[curtisj76]

We'll see when Brian comes out with Soft Fade.....you are going to do that Brian? Right?

He was supposed to give something to those with 800 or more posts. Looks like he forgot?

 

[vjcapron]

Luke Donald's swing is pure soft draw.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrpTb_looYM[/media]

 

[fronesis]

kidding?

Luke Donald's swing is pure soft draw.

I couldn't tell if this was posted tongue-in-cheek or not.

This isn't SD at all.

• he takes it back with plenty of "pop-out"
• he's laid off at the top
• he swings quite a bit left
• he ends with almost a full fade finish

If that's not all enough, on the slow-mo you can see the ball start well left (toward the left trees) and then start to move back to the right. He's playing a cut here.

 

[curtisj76]

I was thinking Luke Donald was Soft Fade, I could be wrong.

OK, I WAS wrong. Not the first, and not the last! I knew he was Soft "Something".

 

[wdking]

Sean O'Hair

What about his preshot routine? Looks like SD and he gets to the turned shoulder plane at the top.

 

[vjcapron]

I couldn't tell if this was posted tongue-in-cheek or not.

This isn't SD at all.

• he takes it back with plenty of "pop-out"
• he's laid off at the top
• he swings quite a bit left
• he ends with almost a full fade finish

If that's not all enough, on the slow-mo you can see the ball start well left (toward the left trees) and then start to move back to the right. He's playing a cut here.

Nope not kidding at all. Luke Donald draws 99% of his golf shots - he has to because of his slight size. If you think he swings left, take another look at 42 and 43 seconds into the video clip. Look at the "shaft exit" above the right shoulder at 47 seconds into the clip. That sure isn't a fade pattern.

 

[fronesis]

Nope not kidding at all. Luke Donald draws 99% of his golf shots - he has to because of his slight size. If you think he swings left, take another look at 42 and 43 seconds into the video clip. Look at the "shaft exit" above the right shoulder at 47 seconds into the clip. That sure isn't a fade pattern.

I'm no expert, and I have no stake in Luke's swing. I'm also not making any claims about his swing in general, just about this video posted here. I'll shut up after this.

But, as you suggested, I took another look at 42 and 43 seconds, and it looks to me like pure "follow the yellow brick road" NHA, i.e. SWING LEFT. He releases hard, but that's not what the SD pattern is about.

Luke Donald might draw the ball most of the time. But the swing he makes in this particular video is NOT the soft draw pattern as Brian teaches it in his commercial video SD 1.0.

The backswing is ALL wrong, with pop-out, a flat left wrist, and a bit laid off. And after impact he swings left and comes to a finish that looks nothing like the "one more point" of soft draw.

I wonder what a Manzellla instructor who teaches SD would say. If they or Brian says that the Luke's swing here looks like SD then I'll admit I'm wrong (apologize to vgcapron), and also admit that I have understood NOTHING about the pattern. But I just don't see it, and focusing on 42 and 43 seconds just re-confirms that I don't see it.

 

[curtisj76]

Remember, Jack had a very Soft Drawish swing and he still hit fades with it. He just made a few adjustments to it, nothing dramatic.

 

[fronesis]

Remember, Jack had a very Soft Drawish swing and he still hit fades with it. He just made a few adjustments to it, nothing dramatic.

Definitely - no doubt about it.

Perhaps Luke has more of an NHA pattern out of which he hits draws most of the time. I don't know, I'm not a Luke expert, but it's certainly possible.

I can clearly see the SD pattern with Jack (inside LCT takeaway, right elbow above left, high hands and slightly across the line at top, doesn't swing that far left, etc., etc.). I don't see it with this video of Luke.

 

[Jared Willerson]

I don't see SD with Luke either, especially with the back swing.

Maybe, ever so slightly, with the "one last point" move, but the similarities end there.

 

[addamsmith]

Could anyone please tell me what Pattern Elk would be?
Would he be a SD!

 

[birdie_man]

I cannot see the video right now but I do believe LD has a FLAT shoulder turn. (right arm below left)

Not NHA.

I do believe he is closer to the NSA side. (minus backswing twistaway and a full roll)

Someone scald me if I got that wrong...going from memory.

 

[lookingtolearn]

I cannot see the video right now but I do believe LD has a FLAT shoulder turn. (right arm below left)

Not NHA.

I do believe he is closer to the NSA side. (minus backswing twistaway and a full roll)

Someone scald me if I got that wrong...going from memory.

I think you're right birdie_man. I'd say it is closer to a "tempered" NSA (with maybe a few small adjustments). Basically, I'd just call it a "standard" draw pattern.

 

[vjsinger]

Yep NSA...or just a very orthodox golf swing.

 

[pecky987]

brian has said before that luke is very close to the centre, slightly on the draw side

 

[Kevin Shields]

Could anyone please tell me what Pattern Elk would be?
Would he be a SD!

Elk is closer to building blocks more than anything.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Nope not kidding at all. Luke Donald draws 99% of his golf shots - he has to because of his slight size. If you think he swings left, take another look at 42 and 43 seconds into the video clip. Look at the "shaft exit" above the right shoulder at 47 seconds into the clip. That sure isn't a fade pattern.

The shaft exiting above the right shoulder has zero to do with determining whether he swung right or left.

 

[addamsmith]

Elk is closer to building blocks more than anything.

Thanks Kevin