Some Pictures and concepts....

[Mathew]

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Concept - Left wrist cocks, right wrist bends...</u>

Most people don't understand how the right wrist doesn't cock and the left wrist does at the same time....

Whilst a crude demonstration, the unmoving stick (in relation to clubshaft) represents the right forearm. By bending the right elbow (or lowering the stick) - you can now see how its done....

Concept - The right forearm and clubshaft (right arm wedge)...</u>

The right forearm should point at the planeline at address and the right arms role is to be an angled extension of the clubshaft....

Note - I could set-up with an inclined plane steeper, or flatter and still have the same planeline.



Concept - Right Forearm Tracing...</u>

The right forearm points at the plane line and traces along it in a true 3D takeaway - this is monitored by pp3 (the first joint of your trigger finger).

 

[ukhacker]

I'm not trying to discourage your fine work here, but from my understanding of TGM, it does not matter if the right forearm is on plane at address, only matters at impact. Right forearm on plane at address is a variation.

 

[wally888]

Mathew,
Exactly what I suggested in another thread, great!
Now if you added 2 more pictures, one showing right wrist cocked (wrong) and one with the right wrist bent (right).

 

[Ringer]

*sigh* Why does one bend the right hand? To keep the left one flat, no? So if bending the right causes the left to react in a similar way, then why is it so inconcievable that the right wrist also bends as the left one does.

I know i'm gonna catch hell for that.

 

[cdog]

Mathew, good work! The pics are needed here.
Steve, when i bend my rear wrist, the whole club moves on plane, as you see in the first set of pics when the lead wrist cocked, the club did not move on plane at all. If you believe the plane is the boss, then let it guide your movements.

Another reason is the affect it has on the lead wrist, it doesnt allow it to bend, go straight or a slight arch yes, but no bend, and TGM's #1 imperative is a flat lead wrist at impact.

 

[Ringer]

The club does not move on plane because the forearms are not in alignment with the plane at setup or in his demonstration.

Look, what I'm saying is very simple. Your right wrist does BOTH. Vertical hinging is a cause of the momentum of the club and right wrist bend occurs because of the position of the ARM unless you force your hand. Just watch my right wrist during my swing and you'll see absolutely NO BEND at all until impact. But I quite clearly have wrist cock.

http://gzi.mine.nu:65433/golf/myswing2.avi

Mind you, this is about 6 months old... but you can quite clearly swing without wrist fold.

 

[diggerdog]

Mathew,
Great work. I'm listening and learning.

 

[FanofHogan]

Mathew, thank you! Man, you're skinny. Come visit me in Texas. I'll take you out for some BBQ and good old Tex-MEx. We'll put some meat on your bones. Seriously. Great job with the pictures. Maybe one day you will be the first UK AI.

 

[Ripper]

Great post Matthew. What are some of the advantages of setting the right forearm on plane at address? It's my understanding that will decrease potential clubhead speed.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

The club does not move on plane because the forearms are not in alignment with the plane at setup or in his demonstration.

Look, what I'm saying is very simple. Your right wrist does BOTH. Vertical hinging is a cause of the momentum of the club and right wrist bend occurs because of the position of the ARM unless you force your hand. Just watch my right wrist during my swing and you'll see absolutely NO BEND at all until impact. But I quite clearly have wrist cock.

http://gzi.mine.nu:65433/golf/myswing2.avi

Mind you, this is about 6 months old... but you can quite clearly swing without wrist fold.

You can c0ck the left wrist and not fold the right wrist if you want to. That is what Trahan was all about the other night. TGM prefers the power of the Flying Wedges. But you are correct in your varition if you choose to swing that way.
Vertical hinging has nothing to do with the right wrist bending or not. Of the three hinges, Angled is the most widely use followed by Horizontal. Even Homer didn't like the vertical hinge.

Folding the right wrist after impact is backwards.

I really think you could use a good dose of TGM and learn what your hands and swing can do. It's better then being a one trick pony and as an instructor the more you know- the better you and your students can be.

 

[cdog]

Steve, i must not be seeing what you are saying, your rear wrist looks bent to me.

 

[Dr_J]

Matthew,
This is awesome. Great pics. Could you post some pictures of the flying wedges? The "gurus" should take some hints from you. Explaining TGM with simple pictures. Yours and Yodas from chucks site that one time are the only ones I have seen. In todays internet world, it makes things so much easier. Thanks for the effort!

 

[Ringer]

Well how is it then that I have a flat left wrist through my whole swing without a right wrist fold? Like I said, it's NOT a hand action unless you force it to be. It's a right arm position. If I flattened out my swing, then my right wrist would fold. But if I did any of that, my clubface would be off plane at the top.

I'm pretty sure though, that my right wrist is cocking. Just look at my face-on video...
http://gzi.mine.nu:65433/golf/myswing.avi

 

[armourall]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Well how is it then that I have a flat left wrist through my whole swing without a right wrist fold? Like I said, it's NOT a hand action unless you force it to be. It's a right arm position. If I flattened out my swing, then my right wrist would fold. But if I did any of that, my clubface would be off plane at the top.

I'm pretty sure though, that my right wrist is cocking. Just look at my face-on video...
http://gzi.mine.nu:65433/golf/myswing.avi

It looks like your Grip may be Strong Double Action (10-2-D), rather than Strong Single Action (10-2-B). Would you say that's accurate?

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Well how is it then that I have a flat left wrist through my whole swing without a right wrist fold? Like I said, it's NOT a hand action unless you force it to be. It's a right arm position. If I flattened out my swing, then my right wrist would fold. But if I did any of that, my clubface would be off plane at the top.

I'm pretty sure though, that my right wrist is cocking. Just look at my face-on video...
http://gzi.mine.nu:65433/golf/myswing.avi

Funny you don't feel what you think happens. That's a real nice level bent right wrist Bishop.

BTW, why no handicap listed for you, is it kept in Colorado or Arz?

 

[Ringer]

armourall - I believe that is accurate.

6bee1dee - Why don't you just slap on the hatred a bit more.

My wrist is already bent at setup and it doesn't angle any more. I assumed "Bend" meant the act of bending. The angle of my right wrist stays constant all the way through my backswing and transition... I believe it bends back slightly just prior to impact, but I haven't seen a good enough frame rate to know for sure.

Look at the angle between my right forearm and the club and you can clearly see the right wrist is cocking, but not "BENDING" (in the process of moving) according to my behind the ball view. I would prefer to hear BRIAN specificall comment on this since it appears there is a vendetta against me now.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

armourall - I believe that is accurate.

6bee1dee - Why don't you just slap on the hatred a bit more.

Not hatred, do you feel that? Its a challenge - stop being a wennie.

quote:
My wrist is already bent at setup and it doesn't angle any more.

not from the pics below, its straight at set up. confussed here. [/quote]

quote: I assumed "Bend" meant the act of bending.

once you bend it its BENT, I am talking about the right wrist BENT, no forever bending.

quote: The angle of my right wrist stays constant all the way through my backswing and transition... I believe it bends back slightly just prior to impact, but I haven't seen a good enough frame rate to know for sure.

Look at the angle between my right forearm and the club and you can clearly see the right wrist is cocking, but not "BENDING" (in the process of moving) according to my behind the ball view. I would prefer to hear BRIAN specificall comment on this since it appears there is a vendetta against me now.

looks straight at set up, what do you mean its bent at set up?

Sorry to hear about your car

 

[Dr_J]

maybe it would be best for ringer and 6b to start a new thread...it would be a shame for this one to be ruined. It started out really well.

 

[Powerdraw]

Matt said "The right forearm points at the plane line and traces along it in a true 3D takeaway - this is monitored by pp3 (the first joint of your trigger finger)."

#1 how do you monitor it via the pp3?
#2and this is the first joint from the tip end of finger? lets be real precise...
#3whats the feel of that monitoring going back?
#4 are you guiding it "on that line at setup?",
#5 where do you stop tracing that line?
#6 if one makes a shift as most do then what happens to that finger monitor?

 

[matt]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

armourall - I believe that is accurate.

6bee1dee - Why don't you just slap on the hatred a bit more.

My wrist is already bent at setup and it doesn't angle any more. I assumed "Bend" meant the act of bending. The angle of my right wrist stays constant all the way through my backswing and transition... I believe it bends back slightly just prior to impact, but I haven't seen a good enough frame rate to know for sure.

Look at the angle between my right forearm and the club and you can clearly see the right wrist is cocking, but not "BENDING" (in the process of moving) according to my behind the ball view. I would prefer to hear BRIAN specificall comment on this since it appears there is a vendetta against me now.

In that still that 6bee posted, your right wrist is absolutely NOT cocked.