Some Pictures and concepts....

[matt]

quote:Originally posted by Powerdraw

Matt said "The right forearm points at the plane line and traces along it in a true 3D takeaway - this is monitored by pp3 (the first joint of your trigger finger)."

#1 how do you monitor it via the pp3?

Feel as though a light is shining from pp3. Aim it at the plane throughout the backswing motion.

quote:#2and this is the first joint from the tip end of finger? lets be real precise...

Look at the knuckle nearest your wrist - the line of 4 across your hand. Now look at the one for your forefinger. Immediately after that - as you look down your forefinger - it's the pad right after that knuckle. The pad on the thickest part of your forefinger. It is NOT all the way at the end of your finger.

quote:#3whats the feel of that monitoring going back?

See answer to #1 - aim it at the plane line and don't deviate.

quote:#4 are you guiding it "on that line at setup?"

It should be pointing at the plane at impact fix hand location.

quote:#5 where do you stop tracing that line?

Personally, I stop feeling it about halfway back. I get it started up right and it just goes. You can feel it all the way to top though.

quote:#6 if one makes a shift as most do then what happens to that finger monitor?

Nothing changes. Remember, regardless of the plane angle...THE PLANE LINE DOESN'T CHANGE! You can have a squared shoulder plane or an elbow plane and the plane line is the same for each. You just tilt the plane - imagine the plane line as a door hinge lying across the ground. You can lift and lower the plane and the plane line (hinge) remains the same.

 

[6bee1dee]

good answers to good questions. I still love when Yoda says the PP#3 is the CLUBHEAD. PP#3 is a wrecking ball with a shaft and clubhead attached to it.

 

[4D1]

pp#3 is your second middle phalanx bone of your index finger, right?

 

[matt]

quote:Originally posted by 4D1

pp#3 is your second middle phalanx bone of your index finger, right?

From Yoda:

The No. 3 Pressure Point is the fleshy pad of the proximal phalanx in contact with the Clubshaft and ideally directly Behind it.

http://chuckevansgolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=389&highlight=metacarpal

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by matt

quote:Originally posted by 4D1

pp#3 is your second middle phalanx bone of your index finger, right?

From Yoda:

The No. 3 Pressure Point is the fleshy pad of the proximal phalanx in contact with the Clubshaft and ideally directly Behind it.

http://chuckevansgolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=389&highlight=metacarpal

Try this picture. I also like to feel the fleshy pad of the hand just under the promimal phalanx too as it grips and pushes the shaft.

 

[matt]

Nice picture. There and a little bit "around to the right" on the picture - more towards the "top" of the hand. There's your pp3.

 

[woodmo]

Mathew, great post! I don't follow TGM mostly because it is difficult to comprehend due to terminology. I am always open to learning more about the golf swing and your pics make the concepts much easier to understand. One other idea that would be helpful is to also translate some TGM terminology such as "plane line = target line". I had no idea, as my understanding of the plane line, as many others have, is the line formed by the clubshaft at address. Thanks! This has helped to make some TGM concepts more understandable.

 

[4D1]

Matthew,

Can you illustrate 'impact fix' from several different angles with 'adjusted address' at each respective position side-by-side.- if your taking requests, that is.

4D1

 

[Mathew]

Wow what a responce - ill try to get you all some more photos

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

i thought PP3 was on that finger but in the middle part of the finger, that is where i feel it

 

[EdZ]

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

good answers to good questions. I still love when Yoda says the PP#3 is the CLUBHEAD. PP#3 is a wrecking ball with a shaft and clubhead attached to it.

Gee, you mean your HANDS ARE THE ROCK

The 'point of force' you are pulling or pushing

think I've heard that one before.... those great minds again

http://d4358519.s74.snitz.net/forum...96&whichpage=4&SearchTerms=hands are the rock

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

good answers to good questions. I still love when Yoda says the PP#3 is the CLUBHEAD. PP#3 is a wrecking ball with a shaft and clubhead attached to it.

Gee, you mean your HANDS ARE THE ROCK

The 'point of force' you are pulling or pushing

think I've heard that one before.... those great minds again

http://d4358519.s74.snitz.net/forum...96&whichpage=4&SearchTerms=hands are the rock

Loaded at the Top, Clubhead Lag is the Rock, i.e., the Stone you are going to throw. The Hands are not the Rock. The Hands Throw the Rock.

Study the Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E) for Swingers and the Right Arm Throw (10-20-B) for Hitters.

 

[EdZ]

Different perspective Lynn. No disagreement that the 'mass at the end of the stick' is what is thrown, although I like 'sling' rather than 'throw'. Felt in the hands (and I would add, feet).

To the extent that you monitor the hands, and not the clubhead/face, I consider the hands the rock. To the extent that the hands follow a more 'true' path than the club (a more 'on plane' string from the hands to the swing center), I would consider the hands the rock.

A FEEL image that helps with plane and balance.

It could be said that the pressure points represent the rock as well, yes. The difference between throwing the rock, and a rock on a string.

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Different perspective Lynn. No disagreement that the 'mass at the end of the stick' is what is thrown, although I like 'sling' rather than 'throw'. Felt in the hands (and I would add, feet).

To the extent that you monitor the hands, and not the clubhead/face, I consider the hands the rock. To the extent that the hands follow a more 'true' path than the club (a more 'on plane' string from the hands to the swing center), I would consider the hands the rock.

It could be said that the pressure points represent the rock as well, yes. The difference between throwing the rock, and a rock on a string.

I didn't say that "the mass at the end of the stick" (the Clubhead) was the Rock. I said that the Clubhead Lag (Pressure) was the Rock. And the Clubhead Lag is all about Monitoring the Hands and not the Club. As you've implied, that Clubhead Lag Rock is assigned to a specific Pressure Point in the Hands, typically the Right Forefinger.

I understand your concept, Ed, and that is why I responded to your comment (to 6bee1dee's post loosely quoting me) "Gee, you mean that the Hands are the rock." Simply said, that was not what was meant.

 

[EdZ]

How about "the rock is in the hands" or the 'rock is the pressure points'
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No disagreement that the 'mass at the end of the stick' is what is thrown, although I like 'sling' rather than 'throw'. Felt in</u> the hands (and I would add, feet).
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As for the 'mass at the end of the stick' I suppose that is a feel vs real problem, just like hinge action feel not matching up with what actually happens to the clubface (angled hinge being a no roll feel, but in fact the clubface rolling).

We're on the same page, and I appreciate you clarifying for anyone that may have been confused by my post.

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by EdZ
How about "the rock is in the hands" or the 'rock is the pressure points'

Very close. The Rock is held in the Right Hand and is sensed and controlled by the #3 Pressure Point, the Right Forefinger.