Spine angle constant - fact or myth?

[tongzilla]

We already know from the front-view, the spine angle tilts away from the target - a phenomenon known as Axis Tilt. This occurs unless the golfer sets up with the same amount of tilt as impact.

In an ideal swing, should the spine angle as viewed from down-the-line (target view) stay at the same angle from address to impact?

If not, why do so many teachers teach this?

Discuss.

 

[Brian Manzella]

In an ideal swing, should the spine angle as viewed from down-the-line (target view) stay at the same angle from address to impact?

Should it?
Absolutely not.

But it can.

If not, why do so many teachers teach this?

They just don't understand the dynamics and the geometry of it all.

 

[birdie_man]

I know about flipping.....but what about sweep releases as a factor? (in affecting waist bend throughout swing)

 

[2mongoose]

The Ping man retains his spine angle and seems to hit it pretty good

I can understand it changing a little, but if you get your backyard out of the way and maintain your #3 accumulator, why would it change?

 

[birdie_man]

Ya.............maybe it has more to do with forward lean "through impact" than release point?

Dunno.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Alot of teachers also say the shoulders turn like the letter 'T', which is absurd. Some lines are just easy to draw on screens. Just like parallel planes.

 

[sonofflipper]

WHY DOES BERNHARD DO THIS?? CUZ IT WORKS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uus6FjtB7U

 

[Brian Manzella]

The Ping Man and You.

The Ping man retains his spine angle and seems to hit it pretty good

I can understand it changing a little, but if you get your backyard out of the way and maintain your #3 accumulator, why would it change?

The PING MAN has no axis tilt (side bend) at impact.

Now you see?

if you tilt, you get shorter.

PERIOD.

 

[tongzilla]

minimal answers!

Should it?
Absolutely not.

But it can.

So should it get more upright or more bent over? Looking at most players, it seems like it's the former. But why?

 

[starretj]

If I remember correctly...

It needs to match the openness of the shoulders at impact, unless this has changed with recent studies.

Jim S.

 

[birdie_man]

That is axis tilt starretj. (Mr. Clapton)

We talkin about waist bend. (i.e. "down the line" view)

 

[starretj]

That is axis tilt starretj. (Mr. Clapton)

We talkin about waist bend. (i.e. "down the line" view)

Very good point as usual Mr. Birdie. However, doesn't waist bend start becoming axis tilt as the hips and shoulders open? Just pondering aloud.

Jim S.

 

[birdie_man]

Hopefully I've got you straight.....but all I know is axis tilt is "spine tilt from a face-on view."

When you slide your hips toward the target in the downswing you increase your axis tilt.

 

[2mongoose]

So should it get more upright or more bent over? Looking at most players, it seems like it's the former. But why?

Did you catch the Mickelson/Quinney duel this weekend? They actually had some decent commentary on Quinney's swing. Not sure if they did a swingvision, but Quinney's spine angle increased considerably vs. setup at impact.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Did you catch the Mickelson/Quinney duel this weekend? They actually had some decent commentary on Quinney's swing. Not sure if they did a swingvision, but Quinney's spine angle increased considerably vs. setup at impact.

He does that one plane stuff. The spine angle change kinda puts the squash on that swing theory.

 

[Dariusz J.]

Doubled, so are you of the opinion that e.g. Hogan, Snead, Trevino, Nicklaus etc. did not increase their spine angle during downswing ??? Show me a true player who does not do it, please.

Cheers

 

[Kevin Shields]

Doubled, so are you of the opinion that e.g. Hogan, Snead, Trevino, Nicklaus etc. did not increase their spine angle during downswing ??? Show me a true player who does not do it, please.

Cheers

You're definition of increasing spine angle, from your other posts, refers to more bend at impact than address, right? That's not what the post about Jeff Quinney was about. His spine angle staightens up thru impact. The " one plane swing" wants the same spine angle throughout. And if you think Nicklaus didn't lose his spine angle thru impact, you need to go back and take a look at some pics.

 

[holeout]

Doubled, so are you of the opinion that e.g. Hogan, Snead, Trevino, Nicklaus etc. did not increase their spine angle during downswing ??? Show me a true player who does not do it, please.

Cheers

What you are referring to is axis tilt, or the "spine angle" seen if you look at someone swinging from face on. What these guys are talking about would more accurately be described as waist bend, or the "spine angle" seen from a down the line view of one swinging.

 

[thefuture37]

http://asafgolf.free.fr/images/golf/swings/snead_profil.jpg

Compare frames 1 and 8. Same amount of forward bend. Trevino does it, but its because he has the right shoulder going way down and chasing after the ball, surely not something a "one planer" wants to do. Are you sure Hogan did this? I know its in masterclass, but in that its more of a compensation move for people that start out not bent over enough, not an ideal move.

 

[Dariusz J.]

You're definition of increasing spine angle, from your other posts, refers to more bend at impact than address, right? That's not what the post about Jeff Quinney was about. His spine angle staightens up thru impact. The " one plane swing" wants the same spine angle throughout. And if you think Nicklaus didn't lose his spine angle thru impact, you need to go back and take a look at some pics.

Spine angle is spine angle. Increasing it does not mean standing up, but the situation in that the spine is more horizontal (in your words - bent); the angle is bigger, thus, it's a increasement. I've never heard that someone call a standing up process as an increasement of the spine angle.

Cheers