Ssshank..!! (w/Brian Manzella video!)

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Jamma

Jamma

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I'm in desperate need of help guys...

I've been applying stuff and info to my swing from this great forum. And I feel I've made some progress too.
My problem is inconsistency during my rounds. And inconsistency here means occasional shanks. Man, they really suck!! It's like everything is going well untill some point of the round I hit a couple of bad shots...and then those shanks start coming.

Could you give me some pointers on what causes those miss-hits, and what I specifically could consentarate on to avoid them??

PS. BTW Brian, you wouldn't happen to be planning a trip here in Finland any time soon..?? :)
 
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grs

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I was having this problem too at first, I seemed to get into trouble if I was bringing the club to far inside.

To fix this I found in the the never hook again video is make believe the club is going up a wall on the backswing, keeps the club going straight back and as long as your left arm is rotating on the downswing you should make better contact.

Good luck
 
Burner

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Shanks are caused by in to out or out to in swings.

In either case, the root cause is too much out.

People will have you believe that under rotation of the clubface back into impact is the reason for hitting the ball on the hosel BUT you can under rotate, over rotate or rotate just right AND still shank.

Address your plane issues first............. and last.
 
metallion

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To me the sole reason for shanks is that the PP3 - during the back- or downswing - has ended up on top of the shaft instead of behind it.

Work on your PP3. It may take some time but its worth the effort.

Start with pitching.

Then proceed to feel each of your PP2, PP1 and PP4.

Lots of fun to be had.
 
Jamma

Jamma

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Maybe out to in...

Burner mentioned that one cause could be out to in swingpath. That might be my problem.
I've been suspecting that for a while. Many times my divot is pointing quite drasticly to the left, and sometimes when I feel to have hit it well, the ball ends up going staight to the left.
Lately I've been trying to "force"/consetrate to get my right elbow hit my body early in the downswing. Also trying to maintain the axis tilt thruout th swing.

Any other suggestions would be appreciated...

Cheers..
 
bergsey

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A drill -

Place a tee in the ground a couple of inches behind the ball (and a couple of inches outside the target line i.e. further away from you)

Hit some balls like that, if you hit the tee on the downswing then you are coming too far outside-in and hitting the hosel at that point.

If you can get inside the tee then it may be the hands not rotating properly and dragging the hosel into the ball.

That may help with at least diagnosing the problem.

I know myself that i've thought there is no way i just swung out to in but the tee doesn't lie !
 
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solarbear

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Working on a similar issue with my swing, I had great success with Brian's thump the ball with your pivot drill. Basically, do a 1/4 swing pause when club is parallel and then try and hit the ball without using arms or hands... just using your pivot... hold finish to check for cupped right and flat left wrist. I liked this drill because it forced my shoulder to drop down and not out. I noticed after an hour of doing the drill, I really had the feel of attacking the ball from the inside. You can add bergsey's T's to this drill as well... I use a thick dowel laid outside the ball and on an angle, showing the angle of attack.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Just trust me.

This is WHY people shank and what to do about it.

Get this in to your coconut, and TURN THAT CLUBFACE off of the plane.

[media]http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/filechute/shankslou.flv[/media]
 
Jamma

Jamma

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I feel priviledged...

...to have Brian himself dedicate a video answer about my problem... :).

A picture is worth a thousand words, and a video a billion...

Lots of thans!!!...to everybody who participated!!

I have to say that this forum is awesome!! And more importantly the people writing here(at least most of them) are absolutely great.
You know...the problem with many golf forums is that if somebody comes and asks a "stupid" question, he/she gets nothing but mocking and jeering from the so called golf pros of that forum.

That's not the case here. Seems as if everybody is so willing to help one improving his/her swing.
And the amount of work and time that Brian himself is willing to put into this....

So again...thank you all for your effort, and thank YOU Brian for your willingness to help people play better golf!!!


PS. somebody told me to go see Brian for a lesson... . Believe me i would....if I didn't live so far away. ...Finland is up here in north....where the polar bears and Santa Clause live... :)
 
tongzilla

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I am impressed Brian...with your new physique!

I can't seem to download the video to my computer...??
 
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There are other reasons for shanking: I happen to believe that delivering the ss at the ball is EXACTLY what you want to do: IT is in orbing and does not deviate from where you are swinging or forcing it. The hosel rotates / swivels out of the way as the arms roll--the hosel rotates around the center of mass; the s/m does not rotate around the hosel!

My explanation for shanks is that the club is "in the wrong driving lane" and something occurs to change it, such as the lengthening of arms that were not straight enough at setup (soft arms get longer, so the clubhead has to go somewhere, and it either goes down or out or both--fat and/or shanked shots). Another reason is that if you take the club and hands too low in the backswing and create an over-the-top rebound, you have thrown the club into a driving lane that is further from your feet, hence you'll hit the ball with the hosel.
 
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Brian Manzella

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I know, I know...

Perfect Impact said:
My explanation for shanks is that the club is "in the wrong driving lane" and something occurs to change it
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Keep watching the video.

Over and over.

You'll get it.

THIS IS WHAT MAKES everything that you say HAPPEN.

BTW, perfect, welcome to the best golf forum of all-time. ;)
 
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rundmc

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tongzilla said:
I am impressed Brian...with your new physique!

I can't seem to download the video to my computer...??
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Yeah biggs . . . You been sweatin' to the oldies or something? Or is it the crawdad diet?

Nice look though . . . .
 
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I appreciate your confidence that you know "everything," Brian. Has it occurred to you that there might be other explanations for some things? I have only been playing golf for 60 years and teaching it for over 30....and I learned a couple things. "You'll get it!"..?

No, I already have. Do you know that the hosel swivels around the SS, not the other way around?

Your generosity is obvious and your knowledge is a boon for those who have access to you, Biran. Best of luck with your work.

I do believe that some day you'll also realize what Bill Shakespeare meant in "there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
 
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Nice little video... think that's the first time I've seen a decent explanation, rather than the usual pop-golf instructor rubbish.
 
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Perfect Impact said:
I appreciate your confidence that you know "everything," Brian. Has it occurred to you that there might be other explanations for some things? I have only been playing golf for 60 years and teaching it for over 30....and I learned a couple things. "You'll get it!"..?

No, I already have. Do you know that the hosel swivels around the SS, not the other way around?

Your generosity is obvious and your knowledge is a boon for those who have access to you, Biran. Best of luck with your work.

I do believe that some day you'll also realize what Bill Shakespeare meant in "there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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Pot!
 
tongzilla

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Perfect Impact said:
Do you know that the hosel swivels around the SS, not the other way around?
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You are seriously underestimating Brian if you think of thinking he doesn't know that. A GSEB should know that, never mind a GSED.
2-F.
 
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