Ssshank..!! (w/Brian Manzella video!)

[cdog]

This vid is actually very good for showing the flw/bntright wrist through the hitting area, also the relationship of the face and the lead wrist/hand.

 

[Jamma]

Ball position...hmmmm

Today, played a round on my local golf course. I hit a few shots at the range beforehand....my swing was bit of a mess. Thinking too many "new" things at the same time.....grip...getting over the sweetspot...etc.

Well, the round itself went a bit better. Some miss hits every now and then..a couple of those darn S****S!!
Then on the last 7th hole my tee-shot ended up beeing in a position where I had to get the ball very high quite quickly...to get it over this sand hill...and also needed to attack it a bit to be able to get even close to the green.
I set myself on address next to the ball. Didn't feel very comfortable.
Then I started thinking of Brians video answer in this thread.... getting over the sweet spot. I then realized that with my current ball position it's quite hard to get the feeling of getting over the sweetspot. The ball suddenly seemed to be too far away from me.
i moved set myself a bit closer to the ball....even so that I felt beeing a bit too close. I hit the shot anyway. Darned!! beautiful shot over the close-by hill..and the ball landed nicely on the green.
I really felt I compressed the ball, like I had been trying to do for quite a long time. And also..I felt that I really was over that sweetspot.

Am I on a right track here..?? ..or is it just a one more trick that won't work on the next round I play?? Well...that is to be seen...on sunday. I Sure am looking forward to it.....

 

[Brian Manzella]

There's always a trick

When you have "impact hands" your REACH is shorter than it is when you FLIP.

!

 

[Burner]

Today, played a round on my local golf course. I hit a few shots at the range beforehand....my swing was bit of a mess. Thinking too many "new" things at the same time.....grip...getting over the sweetspot...etc.

Well, the round itself went a bit better. Some miss hits every now and then..a couple of those darn S****S!!
Then on the last 7th hole my tee-shot ended up beeing in a position where I had to get the ball very high quite quickly...to get it over this sand hill...and also needed to attack it a bit to be able to get even close to the green.
I set myself on address next to the ball. Didn't feel very comfortable.
Then I started thinking of Brians video answer in this thread.... getting over the sweet spot. I then realized that with my current ball position it's quite hard to get the feeling of getting over the sweetspot. The ball suddenly seemed to be too far away from me.
i moved set myself a bit closer to the ball....even so that I felt beeing a bit too close. I hit the shot anyway. Darned!! beautiful shot over the close-by hill..and the ball landed nicely on the green.
I really felt I compressed the ball, like I had been trying to do for quite a long time. And also..I felt that I really was over that sweetspot.

Am I on a right track here..?? ..or is it just a one more trick that won't work on the next round I play?? Well...that is to be seen...on sunday. I Sure am looking forward to it.....

Jamma,

My bet is that if you went back to where you played that very good shot and repeated it over and over you would be well on the way to becoming a golfer.

 

[Jamma]

Brian..I think i get what your saying.....I don't allways...sometimes you sound kinda mysterious... . Maybe partly cause my still limited english/TGM knowledge.
But still you allways give something to think about in my coconut..

Burner: nicely put ..".....on your way becoming a golfer". I really haven't felt like being a GOLFER for a while. My inconsistent swing really makes me doubt occasionally. But since I really LOVE golf....I won't give up .

BTW...has anyone of you played that Winged Foot -course where the REAL golfers are playing at the moment?? That course seems quite...eh...interesting.
Incredibly enough, they are showing it live here in finland.

 

[jjl]

Brian,
I rarely shank the ball (thankfully), but your info on rolling the left wrist on the downswing (whatever terms you used for this phrase) has made a huge impact on my impact. Initially I thought it would make me hit the ball left but it actually stops me from hitting it left somehow and contact is much more solid. I thank you sincerely.
Jeremy.

 

[Jamma]

Extensor action...

I was strugling a bit with my swing on my round today. It all started nicely, but then something messed up my package....started hittin' them fat, thin, right.....
It didn't feel good at all.
Then remembered the good old Extencor action. i never really had tried it before...at least not with any great success. But still I gave it ago. Damn...it seemed to put my swing back together. Solid contact with the ball swing after swing.....felt like a proper golfer again.....what a joy!! .

I don't know what my swing would be like if I hadn't found this forum back in time.....but what I do know is that now I 've got more and more knowledge and tools to build and maintain a proper and CONSISTENT swing. Before I had no clue what to do if my swing got messed up.

Thanks again for making it possible to enjoy this fantastic game of GOLF....

 

[Millrat]

Compensation?

I understand how the hosel can block the SS, in fact that may be the root problem for me. I guess I always depended on CF to square the face and place the SS on the plane line at impact.

This "turning off of the plane" seems to fall in into the compensation category.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Not at all Rat.

Compensation?

Nope.

There was a study by an AI who found next to ZERO professional golfers with the clubface anywhere near "toe up" at shaft level to ground before imact.

THAT placement would STILL be "turned off the plane" 45°!!

100% of the PGA TOUR PROS he tested had the clubface at least SOMEWHAT more closed than that.

Good try though.

 

[birdie_man]

I can see what you mean by thinking it's a compensation....i.e. manually turning the face closed....

...

I wasn't a believer in the full roll till I really tried it for more than a handful of shots....

She works.....

Must have lag.

Still workin on it but have hit some very very good shots with it....very possible new pattern.

 

[Millrat]

Interesting,

Compensation?

Nope.

There was a study by an AI who found next to ZERO professional golfers with the clubface anywhere near "toe up" at shaft level to ground before imact.

THAT placement would STILL be "turned off the plane" 45°!!

100% of the PGA TOUR PROS he tested had the clubface at least SOMEWHAT more closed than that.

Good try though.

Have to agree with you here, but is it deliberate or resultant?

 

[Brian Manzella]

What's the dif?

Listen, let those guys teach sequenced release, or whatever, and when I take over, I'll buy 'em all the Martinis they want.

Classic example of the following:

Types of golf teacher in the world

1. Have no idea, so just tell the student what it looked like they did wrong on the last swing. 50%

2. Have some idea, know terms like 'stuck behind you' and have a video camera, but that's all. 25%

3. Same as above, but have a 'school of thought' like maybe Hardy's and also have a computer and draws lines a lot. 1000-5000 total

4. "Top 100/50 current, or used to be, or not yet (and) or have a couple tour guys," Ususally latched on to another school of thought like the old Golf Digest guys, or Jim Flick, Haney, ex-Leadbetter, etc. Also a line drawer and usually has a building less than 100

5. Name teacher on a list, but not a "troubleshooter" and still latched on to a school of thought. 70 to 80 total

6. Troubleshooter! or Haney or Lead. about 10

7. Think they have the "Optimum swing" and are going to teach it to everyone, no matter what 99% of the time. Like Ben Doyle, Mike Austin, etc. less than 10 total

8. Little Itailian man, who knows all the below by heart, and lets the imperatives dictate the components, ie "Makes 'em better."
1

 

[The Return of NAT]

Listen, let those guys teach sequenced release, or whatever, and when I take over, I'll buy 'em all the Martinis they want.

Classic example of the following:

Types of golf teacher in the world

1. Have no idea, so just tell the student what it looked like they did wrong on the last swing. 50%

2. Have some idea, know terms like 'stuck behind you' and have a video camera, but that's all. 25%

3. Same as above, but have a 'school of thought' like maybe Hardy's and also have a computer and draws lines a lot. 1000-5000 total

4. "Top 100/50 current, or used to be, or not yet (and) or have a couple tour guys," Ususally latched on to another school of thought like the old Golf Digest guys, or Jim Flick, Haney, ex-Leadbetter, etc. Also a line drawer and usually has a building less than 100

5. Name teacher on a list, but not a "troubleshooter" and still latched on to a school of thought. 70 to 80 total

6. Troubleshooter! or Haney or Lead. about 10

7. Think they have the "Optimum swing" and are going to teach it to everyone, no matter what 99% of the time. Like Ben Doyle, Mike Austin, etc. less than 10 total

8. Little Itailian man, who knows all the below by heart, and lets the imperatives dictate the components, ie "Makes 'em better."
1

Pardsy... I appreciate the confidence and the above post is very accurate for the most part...but to classify you are the 1 & only that gets it done is slighly embellished..but Yes there are less than the # of fingers on my hands that I would let my children take lessons from...you're one of them....but there are others..who know..and can do...they're just not on the radar...But I really appreciate where you're going with it...and the point is well made!!!

 

[EdZ]

Yes Brian, if you count little Italian men, the number of folks who fall into your '1', is probably a low number.

Man, you'll never learn, that ego of yours is WHAT is holding you back....

 

[Perfect Impact]

If a discovery in science happens to be linked to a particular scientist who discovered it, the public could think it was that person's theory; but when it is self evident once revealed, it is hardly a personalized matter to use that principle in one's instruction. Brian, you got value from HK and TGM: I got value from Austin's stuff: neither one of us teaches "a system," IMO, as much as "how golf swings work in people shaped golfers."

I do like your heirarchical ratings of credentials.

Did you mention pupil satisfaction....?

 

[dodger]

Great video explanation, totally opened my eyes as to the cause of heelers. Question, does the turning of the clubface over the plane occur when the club is parallel to the ground on the downswing or at the top. In a recent Tiger article he speaks of rotating the right forearm on the downswing which seems to be similar to Brian's description. Brian, when does this movement of the club start?

 

[The Return of NAT]

Geez...I need to read closer...He did say Little Italian Man...I'm Scotch-English...I don't qualify....That's why I'm Non-Authorized...

 

[fmlutz]

Brian,

Great explaination of the shanks. I too sometimes shank, but mostly hit the ball on the heel, especially with the irons. Is the fix for heel shots the same as for the shanks? Or are heel shots caused by something different? Thanks for the help!

Mike