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[curtisj76]

http://www.brianmanzella.com/forum/golfing-discussions/13196-i-cant-figure-out.html

Jbrunk was having some trouble which seemed exactly like me and Kevin gave him some tips. One of the tips was to keep closed during the transition. I have a feeling I have a tendency to tug on the shoulders like jbrunk was. But how do you do that? In Soft Draw, Brian says you "pull like crazy" with the left. How can you pull like crazy with your left and still stay closed? Thanks

Curtis

 

[Shot Limit]

Counterfall for the transition. I think the suggestion from SD was one of the ways he explained how to swing, pull with the left then add right arm when the shaft is vertical. He also mentioned SD as 85% Ernest Jones with the right amount of right arm FATS.

 

[curtisj76]

Counterfall for the transition. I think the suggestion from SD was one of the ways he explained how to swing, pull with the left then add right arm when the shaft is vertical. He also mentioned SD as 85% Ernest Jones with the right amount of right arm FATS.

Yes, I understand. I'm just having a difficult time understanding how to do this and still keep closed in the transition. I'm now thinking the vertical left arm in the last parallel is the answer. I believe I used to pull down and out and not down and in. I'm going to try and swing with the thought of getting my right elbow down to my side which seems to add axis tilt. If this is incorrect someone please let me know. Thanks

 

[Matt Bryda]

I'm going to try and swing with the thought of getting my right elbow down to my side which seems to add axis tilt. If this is incorrect someone please let me know. Thanks

Try the counterfall wile staying turned away from the target then you can add axis tilt.

Matt

 

[jbrunk]

Here is an update on my swing. The ‘I can’t figure this out’ swing video was a series of compensations to deal with an over rotated left arm. This has always been my problem. In the past I would ‘figure it out’ and play great golf not knowing what the real problem was. Eventually the bad swings would return and so would the 85’s.

I went back and re-watched SD and started letting my right elbow fly a bit. I also started ‘reacting to the weight of the clubhead’. The right elbow fly restricts the left forearm rotation in MY backswing and it is easy to feel. I was swaying, unwinding too soon, carrying too much and swinging the clubhead way left all in an effort to deal with the overrotation of my left arm.

Right now, I can make my backswing and just pull and push as hard as I can and hit my solid baby draw. I hit 13/14 fairways my last time out in a 25 mph wind. I don’t think I have ever done that before.

Curtis,

All of these drills/tips are so much easier to add to your swing when you are lagging/feeling the sweetspot. I can almost do anything I want when I have better sweetspot control.

 

[Hayes9801]

Pull Shoulders Up Not Around

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgE-I8r99Q&feature=related[/media]

I have struggled with the idea of pulling with the left, as well. Until recently, pulling left just made the ball go left for me. I think the answer is that the left shoulder pulls UP not around. The attached video is of Mike Austin. You can see that his left shoulder is pulling up. The image at about 2:08 was particularly helpful to me. You can see that the "V" in the chest of his sweater starts to turn up (evidence of axis tilt) rather than turning around.

I'm not a golf instructor so I'm not passing along professional advice....just a visual that has helped my game. I hope it helps yours.

 

[curtisj76]

jbrunk: "All of these drills/tips are so much easier to add to your swing when you are lagging/feeling the sweetspot. I can almost do anything I want when I have better sweetspot control."


what have you been working on? dragging the wet finger?

 

[curtisj76]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBgE-I8r99Q&feature=related[/media]

I have struggled with the idea of pulling with the left, as well. Until recently, pulling left just made the ball go left for me. I think the answer is that the left shoulder pulls UP not around. The attached video is of Mike Austin. You can see that his left shoulder is pulling up. The image at about 2:08 was particularly helpful to me. You can see that the "V" in the chest of his sweater starts to turn up (evidence of axis tilt) rather than turning around.

I'm not a golf instructor so I'm not passing along professional advice....just a visual that has helped my game. I hope it helps yours.

I would agree, except I'm thinking about my right shoulder and you are thinking about the left, same thing really. I also think this is why I've been hitting pull hooks.

 

[curtisj76]

Try the counterfall wile staying turned away from the target then you can add axis tilt.

Matt

Thanks Matt, this is definitely something I'm going to work on as well.

 

[joeunc]

How about another feeling to feel the sweetspot tuirn onto the plane:

- what about feeling lilke you right hand is putting up a "stop" signal out away from you as you start to turn back down. That sensation along with dropping the right shoulder/right elbow down really causes a reaction in your left wrist that begins to bow it and turn the face back toward the ball. Almost like from the top of your backswing right when the transition starts, it "feel" like the heel of your right palm is pushing away from you not dropping into a plam up scenario where the hosel can be lead.

Might not work, but it has helped me get the feeling of getting the clubface/sweetspot looking back at the ball sooner


QUOTE=curtisj76;162969]jbrunk: "All of these drills/tips are so much easier to add to your swing when you are lagging/feeling the sweetspot. I can almost do anything I want when I have better sweetspot control."


what have you been working on? dragging the wet finger?[/QUOTE]

 

[curtisj76]

I'm now thinking the vertical left arm in the last parallel is the answer.

Yep, it's the answer. This is my holy grail. I just took my kids golfing and got in the best 5 holes of my life. I sure wish I could have finished but the last hole was in the dark. Had to use the head lights to find my ball sitting 5 foot from the cup (par 3).

I wasn't thinking about the sweetspot at all. Just thinking about getting my hands in and letting everything else just happen. Better quality shots with less effort is what it felt like.

 

[holeout]

Yep, it's the answer. This is my holy grail. I just took my kids golfing and got in the best 5 holes of my life. I sure wish I could have finished but the last hole was in the dark. Had to use the head lights to find my ball sitting 5 foot from the cup (par 3).

I wasn't thinking about the sweetspot at all. Just thinking about getting my hands in and letting everything else just happen. Better quality shots with less effort is what it felt like.

If this helped you, work on keeping your left shoulder very low when you start the downswing all the way through and past impact. It encourages the more vertical hand path/left arm. Like this:



Report back after trying.

 

[Shot Limit]

Yep, it's the answer. This is my holy grail. I just took my kids golfing and got in the best 5 holes of my life. I sure wish I could have finished but the last hole was in the dark. Had to use the head lights to find my ball sitting 5 foot from the cup (par 3).

I wasn't thinking about the sweetspot at all. Just thinking about getting my hands in and letting everything else just happen. Better quality shots with less effort is what it felt like.

That's sweet news curtis, toss kinda happened by it self huh? It's a real nice feeling. Good job man, keep hitting em good.

 

[curtisj76]

That's sweet news curtis, toss kinda happened by it self huh? It's a real nice feeling. Good job man, keep hitting em good.

Toss? Not sure, I've stopped trying to toss it long ago. Never had much luck thinking toss. I might have been tossing it tonight, all I know is that I wasn't thinking it. All I was thinking about was getting my hands to go IN and DOWN right away. Rather than OUT and DOWN.

PS Thanks, and yes, it is a nice feeling! It's always nice to leave the course/range with a smile. I take the game way too serious so I certainly don't smile enough.

 

[curtisj76]

If this helped you, work on keeping your left shoulder very low when you start the downswing all the way through and past impact. It encourages the more vertical hand path/left arm. Like this:



Report back after trying.

After looking in the mirror it looks like my shoulder doesn't move up until I would start releasing the club. Not sure, I need to invest in a nice camera to take slo mo vids.

 

[Matt Bryda]

all I know is that I wasn't thinking it. All I was thinking about was getting my hands to go IN and DOWN right away. Rather than OUT and DOWN.

I am working on the same thing and it has been a game saver for sure.
Thank you Kevin!

Matt

 

[joeunc]

Did that "in" and "down" feeling make you feel that it improved your pivot and allowing you to get out of your own way? Were you basically just thinking of getting that right elbow down into your pocket and then releasing the club? It sounds like that is what you are saying.

thanks
Joe

Toss? Not sure, I've stopped trying to toss it long ago. Never had much luck thinking toss. I might have been tossing it tonight, all I know is that I wasn't thinking it. All I was thinking about was getting my hands to go IN and DOWN right away. Rather than OUT and DOWN.

PS Thanks, and yes, it is a nice feeling! It's always nice to leave the course/range with a smile. I take the game way too serious so I certainly don't smile enough.

 

[curtisj76]

Did that "in" and "down" feeling make you feel that it improved your pivot and allowing you to get out of your own way? Were you basically just thinking of getting that right elbow down into your pocket and then releasing the club? It sounds like that is what you are saying.

thanks
Joe

Yes, I do think it helps many things. In my PM to Kevin, I told him I think it forces me to get my hips left, at the same time keeping/increasing my axis tilt. I believe it's getting me into a great position. I think before I was going OUT which killed my hips and tilt, not to mention path/face.

 

[Shot Limit]

Yes, I do think it helps many things. In my PM to Kevin, I told him I think it forces me to get my hips left, at the same time keeping/increasing my axis tilt. I believe it's getting me into a great position. I think before I was going OUT which killed my hips and tilt, not to mention path/face.

SD backswing and SD downswing with low and in on the downswing instead of the toss 1 yard right????? (swing thought wise)

I've had some some trouble with a consistant toss thru the bag and have been making some practice swings with more left arm vertical and the swing feels good, great chain snap feeling and I'm looking forward to actually hitting some balls this way. What kind of patterns (SD, NHA, NSA) are you using currently to execute this sequence.

 

[curtisj76]

SD backswing and SD downswing with low and in on the downswing instead of the toss 1 yard right????? (swing thought wise)

I've had some some trouble with a consistant toss thru the bag and have been making some practice swings with more left arm vertical and the swing feels good, great chain snap feeling and I'm looking forward to actually hitting some balls this way. What kind of patterns (SD, NHA, NSA) are you using currently to execute this sequence.

I'm not thinking the toss at all. I really have no thoughts after I initiate the downswing. As far as a pattern I really don't have one. I have a little counter rotation on my initial takeaway that keeps the club from opening too much and helps with my left forearm from over rotating. I saw this mentioned in a thread here from the "rover golf guy" and put it in my swing with good success. I used to get really laid off so now my swing is pretty upright. Then I just initiate the downswing thinking get my hands in and down. This keeps me closed, gets my hips left, and I don't lose any tilt. Lately I've had to monitor the sweetspot a lot because the shanks were an issue. But now it's not even a thought. Gonna hit the range today and work on it some more. Play a few holes hopefully.