Dana Dahlquist
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Steep Shoulders & Flat Arms
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Jim Kobylinski
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The gist of it is this, the steeper the shoulder turn the more hip slide needed and the more travel the right shoulder needs to go downplane correctly.
Can it be done? Sure. Will it work for most people? No. Will it work for some? Always does, thats why there are so many people teaching wacky things.
Can it be done? Sure. Will it work for most people? No. Will it work for some? Always does, thats why there are so many people teaching wacky things.
Dana Dahlquist
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True.The gist of it is this, the steeper the shoulder turn the more hip slide needed and the more travel the right shoulder needs to go downplane correctly.
Can it be done? Sure. Will it work for most people? No. Will it work for some? Always does, thats why there are so many people teaching wacky things.
For a high draw ill slide my hips more down the line and flatten my turn on the downswing.But I like to hit fades most the time.
I don't teach all my students the same it goes off what would suit them best for there range. If they have a need for a pattern we go the route that fits.
I don't disagree in anyway what brian says about the shoulder plane(s)
I just belive some can and should do it and some can't.
The thing that gets me is the golf swing has a domino effect of motions. Why are guys like JH saying there must be one way or another, when the guys Ive worked with played on tour with the idea that shot patterns change these relationships.
Not saying JH wrong, it just gets dangerous when you don't play golf like a kid hitting shots.
As an example I have a young girl who hits the ball very well from a so called one plane model swing. Shes very long for her size and can hit it 280 if she needs too. She was getting ready to play in the US Open two years ago, so I went on a practice round with her. She needed only to change her patterns a little to make the ball do what it may. All week she only practiced hitting high and low shots without anythig but set up changes. She was able to make it into the top ten that week and later turned pro at the Long Beach.
If you ask her high draws she would say flatten out on the downswing more tilt.
Brian I am looking forward to your further posts on golf and I am glad that a few of us from the darkside are welcome.
Jim Kobylinski
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On a side note, i didn't mean you teach wacky things. I re-read my post and it seemed like i was pointing that towards you which i didn't, just meant wacky things in general such as parallel planes.
Anyway, your prefereance for hitting fades with a steep backswing shoulder turn makes sense because from that type of shoulder turn it is harder to get the right shoulder to come down the TSP and you usually end up above it a bit and if you didn't hold off the full roll of the face you'd play a lot of dead pull shots that probably are at a medium trajectory.
However if you hold it off like an angled hinge, you'd hit a pretty high reliable fade. Now that girl you talk about hitting it 280 with a fade? I'd like to see that.
Anyway, your prefereance for hitting fades with a steep backswing shoulder turn makes sense because from that type of shoulder turn it is harder to get the right shoulder to come down the TSP and you usually end up above it a bit and if you didn't hold off the full roll of the face you'd play a lot of dead pull shots that probably are at a medium trajectory.
However if you hold it off like an angled hinge, you'd hit a pretty high reliable fade. Now that girl you talk about hitting it 280 with a fade? I'd like to see that.
mjstrong
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The gist of it is this, the steeper the shoulder turn the more hip slide needed and the more travel the right shoulder needs to go downplane correctly.
Can it be done? Sure. Will it work for most people? No. Will it work for some? Always does, thats why there are so many people teaching wacky things.
Jim,
Would you say, the steeper the shoulder turn the more upright swingplane?
The amount of hipslide id dependent on swingplane. The flatter the more pronounced the slide is. The more upright the plane, the more subtle the slide.....
Jim Kobylinski
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I think it depends, you can easily have too flat or too steep of arms. Then depending on that, you will figure out how much hip slide you need to create to play the ball flight you want.
Those willing to play the left to right fade won't slide a lot and those that are willing to slide a lot will do their best to play a draw.
Dana Dahlquist
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Yes yes axis tilts
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