still pulling irons. should i still swing left?
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Kevin Shields
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Remembering your swing, my guess is you're hitting the ball too close to low point with little shaft lean and the face square to your new plane line (which is left).
Burner
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Yup.
Brian Manzella
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No.
If you are hitting a pull, you are swinging too far to the left,
Period.
It is a REALLY simple concept.
The club swings DOWN & OUT toward the low point. With an iron, you should always hit the ball BEFORE low point.
After LOW POINT, the club should swing UP & IN.
Period, end of story.
But...
If your SWING LINE/PLANE LINE/Horizontal Swing Plane is STRAIGHT AT THE TARGET, you will be STRIKING THE BALL in to out.
So you have to ROTATE YOUR SWING LINE/PLANE LINE/Horizontal Swing Plane to the left a bit—say 10 yards—to "swing straight."
And THEN, you also have to have the clubface AT THE TARGET, at impact, to hit a dead straight shot.
And like I said the other day, much to the dismay of folks that think I have some sort of anti-Homer kelley agenda (I actually DO have an agenda—I call it the GET IT ABSOLUTELY' CORRECT agenda), I do not recommend to anyone, to grip the club differently with every club and for multiple different shots, which WOULD HAPPEN (you geniuses out there) if you set the clubface to the target, aimed to swing some place else, and then gripped it.
You CAN NOT HIT A PULL unless the whole shootin' match is too far left.
Case closed.
If you are hitting a pull, you are swinging too far to the left,
Period.
It is a REALLY simple concept.
The club swings DOWN & OUT toward the low point. With an iron, you should always hit the ball BEFORE low point.
After LOW POINT, the club should swing UP & IN.
Period, end of story.
But...
If your SWING LINE/PLANE LINE/Horizontal Swing Plane is STRAIGHT AT THE TARGET, you will be STRIKING THE BALL in to out.
So you have to ROTATE YOUR SWING LINE/PLANE LINE/Horizontal Swing Plane to the left a bit—say 10 yards—to "swing straight."
And THEN, you also have to have the clubface AT THE TARGET, at impact, to hit a dead straight shot.
And like I said the other day, much to the dismay of folks that think I have some sort of anti-Homer kelley agenda (I actually DO have an agenda—I call it the GET IT ABSOLUTELY' CORRECT agenda), I do not recommend to anyone, to grip the club differently with every club and for multiple different shots, which WOULD HAPPEN (you geniuses out there) if you set the clubface to the target, aimed to swing some place else, and then gripped it.
You CAN NOT HIT A PULL unless the whole shootin' match is too far left.
Case closed.
thanks brian. guess i just took too much of a good thing. i'll work on it. i can hit a pretty dead straight shot if i feel as if i am purposely hitting a bit of a cut, but i guess in reality all i am doing is having the face straighter at the target rather than swing line. visually though, it makes you scratch your head and say, 'hmmm'.
A draw rolls more than a fade because it has topspin. It's amazing how often I hear this. But it's obviously not true. If it had topspin, it wouldn't carry 100 yards. That describes a duck hook, which may indeed have topspin, but not a desirable draw.
How did this myth start, and how close to true is it? Well, some draws reduce the backspin and some fades increase it. So, although a draw doesn't have topspin, it may have less backspin than a fade -- thus it will roll farther.
Why should this be? And why don't I say it's true for all draws and fades? Draws and fades can be caused by changing the swing path while keeping the clubface pointing at the target, or they can be caused by opening/closing the clubface. Only really good golfers have enough control of their swing path to determine ball flight via swing path; most golfers will try to open or close the face. This can take many forms: rolling the forearms through impact to close the face, using a stronger or weaker grip, setting up with face open or closed, etc. But they all have one thing in common; they involve rotation of the shaft around its axis.
Consider the figure at the right. Diagram (a) shows a perfectly upright 90º lie. If clubs were actually built like that, then rotating the shaft would open or close the clubface, and nothing else.
But real clubs are built more like diagram (b), with a lie in the vicinity of 60º. Rotation around the shaft's axis occurs at an angle. So it does not simply open or close the face.
* Rotating the shaft to close the face also hoods the face, reducing the loft.
* Rotating the shaft to lay the face open also increases the loft.
So you would expect a draw created this way to fly lower and have less backspin, because it was struck with less loft.
QUOTED From: The Tutelman Site on Golf Technology
How did this myth start, and how close to true is it? Well, some draws reduce the backspin and some fades increase it. So, although a draw doesn't have topspin, it may have less backspin than a fade -- thus it will roll farther.
Why should this be? And why don't I say it's true for all draws and fades? Draws and fades can be caused by changing the swing path while keeping the clubface pointing at the target, or they can be caused by opening/closing the clubface. Only really good golfers have enough control of their swing path to determine ball flight via swing path; most golfers will try to open or close the face. This can take many forms: rolling the forearms through impact to close the face, using a stronger or weaker grip, setting up with face open or closed, etc. But they all have one thing in common; they involve rotation of the shaft around its axis.
Consider the figure at the right. Diagram (a) shows a perfectly upright 90º lie. If clubs were actually built like that, then rotating the shaft would open or close the clubface, and nothing else.
But real clubs are built more like diagram (b), with a lie in the vicinity of 60º. Rotation around the shaft's axis occurs at an angle. So it does not simply open or close the face.
* Rotating the shaft to close the face also hoods the face, reducing the loft.
* Rotating the shaft to lay the face open also increases the loft.
So you would expect a draw created this way to fly lower and have less backspin, because it was struck with less loft.
QUOTED From: The Tutelman Site on Golf Technology
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softconsult
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So how much of this post is your writing and how much is simply a quotation from another site. Pretty hard to tell.
It's all from that site.
Jared Willerson
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How much would raising the handle via uncocking the right wrist down effect the ball flight?
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