Stong Grip and going waaay right.

[conkanen]

Brian recently mentioned on his latest chat that for someone like David Duval, who used to play a fade off tee when he was the best in the world, that for a strong gripper...playing a fade is the only way to play for that pattern.

My question is, what things do I look for on the course when I start going too much right off the tee? What exactly is the cause when every other club in the bag is fine?

 

[Kevin Shields]

More axis tilt with a driver causes the face to open more. Manzella-ism: Every degree your right shoulder goes down, it must equally go out....or something to that effect.

 

[conkanen]

I thought you needed more Axis tilt to square up a driver? I have no idea why but I thought that's what I read here before. Interesting.

 

[pecky987]

More axis tilt with a driver causes the face to open more. Manzella-ism: Every degree your right shoulder goes down, it must equally go out....or something to that effect.

no, its every degree of axis tilt you have, you need, more or less, the same amount of open shoulders. sorta

anyway, the more axis tilt creates a more inside path. too much axis tilt means too inside path, usually resulting in hooks in better players and pushes in everyone else.

you say everything else is goes ok, then it might be shaft specs (?) not sure, who knows

 

[Kevin Shields]

I'm sorry. To clarify, you do need more tilt with a driver, so you're right. But excessive tilt helps the club underneath and usually open. So if you're late with the flip, or working on forward hands, the face will be open. You just need to offset the tilt with some open shoulders and maybe a little top heavy pressure on the shaft.

 

[2mongoose]

Strong grip? Not for me anymore!

The more I learn about the golf swing the more I hate a strong grip

For whatever reason, there have been a lot of posts lately that heavily relate to PP3. I don't think this is any exception and here's why:

As a former strong double action grip player, I wondered why I couldn't "feel" the PP3. Brian's site and the little yellow bible have now taught me the why. It's simple: no sweet spot monitoring. It's a fabulous built-in device to monitor if you're turning the sweet spot off the plane or not. With a strong grip, you can't "feel" that pressure because as Brian says,

if you try to rotate the left arm, and there is resistance, there is pressure on that right forefinger knuckle.

Most folks don't realize that—including some "so-called" book experts (until I pointed it out). Most folks just focus on the CLUBHEAD LAG pressure point that the #3 can be as well.

For someone who employs MORE #3 accumulator angle (LEFT ARM ROLL) just prior to impact, they will feel MORE pressure there.

For someone who employs less, they just feel the Clubhead Lag pressure.

Got it?

So with a strong grip you have less roll = less PP3 feeling = easy to leave it wide open.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Amen, brother.

 

[conkanen]

I hear what you are saying 2mong but my game goes to hell when I introduce a neutral grip with a lot of forearm rotation. Hell...I even start $h@nking chips. The strong grip, angled hinge dumbs down the game for me so I can concentrate on playing. When I retire and play more, maybe I can learn another way. But right now, leaving the Driver wide open is my biggest full swing problem.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Why do I SLICE/PUSH it with a DRIVER with a strong grip?

You are trying to add the loft you—at least think—you need.

 

[Dariusz J.]

The more I learn about the golf swing the more I hate a strong grip

For whatever reason, there have been a lot of posts lately that heavily relate to PP3. I don't think this is any exception and here's why:

As a former strong double action grip player, I wondered why I couldn't "feel" the PP3. Brian's site and the little yellow bible have now taught me the why. It's simple: no sweet spot monitoring. It's a fabulous built-in device to monitor if you're turning the sweet spot off the plane or not. With a strong grip, you can't "feel" that pressure because as Brian says,



So with a strong grip you have less roll = less PP3 feeling = easy to leave it wide open.

I have the same feeling. The more I know the weaker grip I want to have. I've already gone so "weak" that my RH pinky appeared too short for overlapping...LOL. Tried a reverse overlapping as well

Cheers