Strong Left Hand with Weak Right Hand

[Kamloops]

I've been trying a grip which combines a strong left hand grip (maybe two knuckles) and a very weak (Hogan type) right hand. It seems to allow me to really set at the top and then swing hard with my right arm and hand on the downswing without overpowering and hitting a hard pull. Does anyone have any experience with this type of grip?

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.

 

[Kevin Shields]

Yes, and it seems to be the grip of choice amongst the highest levels. Not everyone, obviously, but alot.

 

[golfdad]

Yes, and it seems to be the grip of choice amongst the highest levels. Not everyone, obviously, but alot.

or at the lower level

both of kids have now gravitated toward that,,strong left, but weak right.

initially, they fought slice, so they strengthened the grip, both hands. then they had occasional flips leading to hooks. when they shifted to strong left but weak right, it seems that the "flipping ability" during impact has decreased, so now they can "release" without worrying about the left side.

i think they also like the feel of how the wrists set at the top. it is like the right helps to set the left wrist in this one place.

 

[dlam]

It's suppose to be the "biokinetic" correct grip.

I like it a lot.
I have modified it so my left hand is a bit stronger 2.5 to 3 knuckes. My right hand is weak bit not as much. My right palm is more or less vertical to the ground.

 

[Dariusz J.]

It's suppose to be the "biokinetic" correct grip.

I like it a lot.
I have modified it so my left hand is a bit stronger 2.5 to 3 knuckes. My right hand is weak bit not as much. My right palm is more or less vertical to the ground.

Yes, it is.

BTW, I have dedicated a lot of researches to this kind of grip (Bio-K grip). If anyone is interested to hear about biokinetics more, PM me please, and I'll provide a link.

Cheers

 

[ffejeff224]

Yes, it is.

BTW, I have dedicated a lot of researches to this kind of grip (Bio-K grip). If anyone is interested to hear about biokinetics more, PM me please, and I'll provide a link.

Cheers

I am very interested in this.. not trying to jack the thread, but your pm box is full. Please send a link. I actually tried this grip last night just swinging the club and it was very different but comfortable. After impact it is almost impossible to send the club past the hands because of the strong left hand. I like it.

 

[Dariusz J.]

I am very interested in this.. not trying to jack the thread, but your pm box is full. Please send a link. I actually tried this grip last night just swinging the club and it was very different but comfortable. After impact it is almost impossible to send the club past the hands because of the strong left hand. I like it.

I apologize for not emptying my box in a due time before, Gents. Simply forgot to do it

Already done.

Cheers

 

[dlam]

The parallel Vs messes me up. I like having my hands oppose each other. It gives me added leverage or torque in my wrist rather than to rely on the shoulder and hips for that.

 

[weese]

Didn't Johnny Miller once call this the motorcycle grip. Motorcycle, Bio-K, whatever you want to call it, makes sense. Cock the left, hinge the right. How different is this from Manzella neutral?

 

[dlam]

Parallel Vs screws up my swing. Having the hands opposing in a bio-k way makes more sense to me.

 

[Dariusz J.]

Didn't Johnny Miller once call this the motorcycle grip. Motorcycle, Bio-K, whatever you want to call it, makes sense. Cock the left, hinge the right. How different is this from Manzella neutral?

You have my attention now. Never heard before of the "motorcycle grip" notion. Could you give some reference point to it ? I'd love to read it. Alas, when watching Miller in his prime his grip does not remind the Bio-K one.

Cheers

Parallel Vs screws up my swing. Having the hands opposing in a bio-k way makes more sense to me.

Yep, agreed. Parallel V's theory have no sense from biokinetical point of view taking into account supposed action of both wrists in the motion. Glad to see more and more people revise archaic myths in golf instruction.

Cheers

 

[islandgolf629]

Here is the reference from Millers' Book; I Call The Shots He calls the grip used by Ed Fiori a "motorcycle" from the way the right hand is held under the shaft. So it appears Miller's motorcycle grip is not like the bio-k grip.


I call the shots: straight talk ... - Google Books

 

[ej20]

Johny Miller did not use a strong left/weak right grip.He was weak/weak like a lot of great players.

A slightly strong left hand may be easier to play with but truly great iron players prefered weak.I believe it allowed them greater flexibility to work shots.

I am not advocating everyone to use a weak grip.My own left hand grip is slightly strong because I don't have the forearm rotational skills of Hogan or Miller.

 

[bax1865]

From what I remember, Miller had a rather "weak" grip position that led to a rather "open" clubface. And some damn crazy arse pants too!

 

[duckhook]

Here is a video clip of Colin Montgomerie describing his grip amongst other things. He talks about 2 1/2 knuckles (which he calls neutral) on his left hand and keeping his right hand on top of the shaft in what he calls a "weak position" which encourages him to keep the clubface square to slightly open encouraging his fade.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j7CsW5hK9s[/media]

 

[Dariusz J.]

Here is the reference from Millers' Book; I Call The Shots He calls the grip used by Ed Fiori a "motorcycle" from the way the right hand is held under the shaft. So it appears Miller's motorcycle grip is not like the bio-k grip.

I call the shots: straight talk ... - Google Books

Thank you very much. It confirmed my doubts.

A slightly strong left hand may be easier to play with but truly great iron players prefered weak.I believe it allowed them greater flexibility to work shots.

I would think you're dead right. However, it is worth noting that post-accident Hogan's LH grip wasn't so weak as it is commonly thought. The rule of thumb is the higher the hands are at setup (as Hogan's) the more weaker the grip looks. If Hogan dropped hands lower his lead arm grip would look strongish. Experiment with it.

Here is a video clip of Colin Montgomerie describing his grip amongst other things. He talks about 2 1/2 knuckles (which he calls neutral) on his left hand and keeping his right hand on top of the shaft in what he calls a "weak position" which encourages him to keep the clubface square to slightly open encouraging his fade.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j7CsW5hK9s[/media]

Thanks, very interesting for me. Although his version is rather weakish RH merged with only neutral LH grip, I would never ever suspected that the person advocating a grip similar to the Bio-K concept was Montgomerie, whose swing is almost an antithesis of what I believe in. Furthermore, he admitted to use interlock which doubles my surprise - because mechanics of this kind of grip does not favour merging weakish RH & strongish LH grip.

Cheers

 

[ej20]

I would think you're dead right. However, it is worth noting that post-accident Hogan's LH grip wasn't so weak as it is commonly thought. The rule of thumb is the higher the hands are at setup (as Hogan's) the more weaker the grip looks. If Hogan dropped hands lower his lead arm grip would look strongish. Experiment with it.

Cheers

I wouldn't say it is very weak.Hogan placed his left thumb directly on top of the shaft,not to the left.Most current instructors would still call that weak with some justification.Players with out his rotational skills will never square the clubface in time with that grip.

 

[dlam]

Johny Miller did not use a strong left/weak right grip.He was weak/weak like a lot of great players.

A slightly strong left hand may be easier to play with but truly great iron players prefered weak.I believe it allowed them greater flexibility to work shots.

I am not advocating everyone to use a weak grip.My own left hand grip is slightly strong because I don't have the forearm rotational skills of Hogan or Miller.

I have to disagree with that last sentence.
I believe weak grip players tend to "hold off" rotating the forearms and use the upper body particularly the left shoulder girdle for torque.
Strong grip players tend to have tighter forearms and use the wrists and forarms to promote the rotational force on the club.
Typically but not always the stronger grip player has relatively bulker forearms,whereas the weaker grip player tends to be broader shoulders.

Remember when J Miller commented on how C Parry's swing would make B Hogan puke?
J Miller clearly prefers proper body rotation to torque the club whereas popeye can do it with his OTT swing and massive forearms

 

[softconsult]

I'm only speaking to my experience. Rightly or wrongly, based on my perception of what Miller, Nicklaus, Weiskopf
did, I played with a weak left hand grip and tried to fade everything. Feeling was high hands, and then fall down through the swing. When it worked perfectly it felt like I hit it with the heel my left hand with no effort to manipulate the arms or the wrists. I rarely ever hit it left, but could draw the ball out of trouble.

"I have to disagree with that last sentence.
I believe weak grip players tend to "hold off" rotating the forearms and use the upper body particularly the left shoulder girdle for torque.
Strong grip players tend to have tighter forearms and use the wrists and forarms to promote the rotational force on the club.
Typically but not always the stronger grip player has relatively bulker forearms,whereas the weaker grip player tends to be broader shoulders."

Interesting. I was tall, flexible, loose, 6'3" with broad shoulders. Thin wrists, etc. I haven't thought about it before, but 'hold off" certainly describes my swing even now. I'm still tall with broad shoulders. The other two adjectives have changed just a little!

 

[ej20]

I have to disagree with that last sentence.
I believe weak grip players tend to "hold off" rotating the forearms and use the upper body particularly the left shoulder girdle for torque.

I don't mind anyone disagreeing with me but I would at least like an explanation of why you think this is so.

Weak left hand grip players have their clubface more open than strong grip players relative to where the forearm is rotated.Weak left hand grip players need to rotate their left forearm back to where the back of the left wrist faces the target otherwise the clubface will be wide open.Strong left hand grip players do not have to...if they did,they will hook.They are the ones who need to hold off the rotation.