grip is good. got address hands. got impact hands. can make the prettiest little chip, pitch what ever you want to call them 15-20 yarders that are literaly landing on top of each other. can roll it on the plane. got store. got throwout. CAN NOT roll it back off the plane . pretty little hosel rockets. To get the sweetspot back on the ball swing feels like it is stopping foot from the ball, no power no accuracy. To hit a full shot i just have to go completely brain dead. And then It may be rolling part of the way back on the plane, but I can assure you its not rolling back on the plane after impact. Suggestions other than taking up needle point. Too many years of bad muscle memory to overcome??? Or maybe I can become a shut faced (excuse me less open faced) cutter. Can you hit if you can't roll??
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What kinda grip you sportin' Mcflog? The position of your left hand in relation to the plane (turned or vertical) has a huge impact on how you have to release it.
Get out your hammer. Stand by a wall on your left side. Grip the hammer with your left hand as you do a golf club with the hammer head facing left towards the wall to your left. Now make a motion with the hammer. How do you have to move your hand to get the hammer head to strike the wall square? It's two totally different motions depending on if your left hand is turned or vertical.
but if you can't get the roll what then???? I understand the concept and what your saying I just have a problem executing it.
I can do it on the horizontal plane (looks like Sammy Sosa) the ball is a different story. Do you strengthen the grip like the hammer and no roll, whats the solution??
Brian Manzella
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Let me get this straight...
You can't go wedding ring up—then left thumb under??
You can't go wedding ring up—then left thumb under??
Brian Manzella
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Guessing of course (but semi-educated)....
You need to try Hitting. (at least a Hitting-type feel of clubface)
Just FEEL LIKE YOU NEVER turn the club to the plane—then...on the downswing—from release point, PUSH BACK ON YOUR RIGHT SHOULDER, WHILE YOU PUSH DOWN on your right foot.
You need to try Hitting. (at least a Hitting-type feel of clubface)
Just FEEL LIKE YOU NEVER turn the club to the plane—then...on the downswing—from release point, PUSH BACK ON YOUR RIGHT SHOULDER, WHILE YOU PUSH DOWN on your right foot.
Brian Manzella
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Oh yeah....
Make you grip slightly stroger.
Make you grip slightly stroger.
birdie_man
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Maybe he's trying too hard to retain Lag?
...or maybe he's swiveling the face open for Swinging and pushing in the downswing....??? (hosel rockets)
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I know I used to try real hard to have my hands very ahead of the ball at Imapct......I can do it well when Hitting (or Angled Hinging.....regardless if it's a Swing or Hit).....not as well with a Horizontal Hinge...
Although.....I think I now may be a better Hitter than Swinger.....after working on Swinging for so long....
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Anyway....what helps me to Hor. Hinge is to almost feel like I'm unBending my right wrist (some) into the ball.....along with having a good amount of Axis Tilt....start with slightly stronger (more Rolled....i.e. to your right) than Vertical grip at Address.
I think I got so into trying to hit down on it.....retaining max. Lag......getting my hands way ahead of the ball at Impact.....I was overdoing it. Trying to look like Trevino (basically Brian's logo).....and without his Axis Tilt.
That's what I found anyway.
...or maybe he's swiveling the face open for Swinging and pushing in the downswing....??? (hosel rockets)
...
I know I used to try real hard to have my hands very ahead of the ball at Imapct......I can do it well when Hitting (or Angled Hinging.....regardless if it's a Swing or Hit).....not as well with a Horizontal Hinge...
Although.....I think I now may be a better Hitter than Swinger.....after working on Swinging for so long....
....
Anyway....what helps me to Hor. Hinge is to almost feel like I'm unBending my right wrist (some) into the ball.....along with having a good amount of Axis Tilt....start with slightly stronger (more Rolled....i.e. to your right) than Vertical grip at Address.
I think I got so into trying to hit down on it.....retaining max. Lag......getting my hands way ahead of the ball at Impact.....I was overdoing it. Trying to look like Trevino (basically Brian's logo).....and without his Axis Tilt.
That's what I found anyway.
birdie_man
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2AM....can't sleep....
But I've got golf questions now (no TIME for sleep!!
)..
K- side question:
(Brian), do you think it's easier (or more common) to look like Trevino at Impact if you Hit rather than Swing? How about Angled Hinge vs. Horizontal Hinge?
But I've got golf questions now (no TIME for sleep!!
)..K- side question:
(Brian), do you think it's easier (or more common) to look like Trevino at Impact if you Hit rather than Swing? How about Angled Hinge vs. Horizontal Hinge?
huestisc
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Another way to learn full roll & swivel, while maintaining impact hands, is through using the Pure Swing from Rover Golf, John Rohan-Weaver GSEB. Check it out on www.rovergolf.com
I have one and it's great for learning this feeling. At first it is hard to keep the flat left wrist AND roll, but using this training device you can get the feeling. I know Brian uses it sometimes in his teaching.
I have one and it's great for learning this feeling. At first it is hard to keep the flat left wrist AND roll, but using this training device you can get the feeling. I know Brian uses it sometimes in his teaching.
Are you sure you are not bringing in some right hand/ trail hand cock upwards? that is what i am working on........a miniscule amount of right hand cock upwards brings the hozel right to the ball .....does correct use of extensor action limit upward cock of trail hand?
any input appreciated
any input appreciated
You could experiment with it. Try a Turned grip and see what your results are. You DON'T role until PAST impact. Just let the Left Palm continue to face the Plane and UNCOCK ONLY. Check this out. Left palm still facing the Plane and the ball is way gone. This is "throwing the ClubFACE at the ball." No Roll needed. If you Roll . . .FORE LEFT!!!!
This is PADDLEWHEEL MOTION of BOTH the left and right hand. See how there's no "cross over" deep into the through swing? Why? Because of the grip.
If you gonna go with a "neutral grip" practice the motion separately and slowly. Turn your hand to the Plane and then UNCOCK. Your left palm will still face the Plane and the Clubface will be open. To get the Clubface to the ball you MUST execute Release Swivel. Do it slow. But you must do it without destroying your Flat Left Wrist. Separate the Uncocking and Rolling until you get it. Then blend them. Check this out in comparison to the above. Miller's Wrist is Flat but Rolled. The Right Forearm is more "across" than "under." The Left Hand has rolled way early. Why? Weaker grip. Hence all the hammer crap. You can learn a lot with a hammer.
Another thing you may want to do is get away from the club all together. Do your motion with open hands and fists. Then do it with a dowel or shaft with no clubhead. The go to the club. Get the hand motion right and the clubhead will follow.
Keep in mind that Hinge Motion and Swivel are two TOTALLY different things.
DanSchulte
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Brian you lost me with the analogy of the ring finger up and then left thumb under, can't picture this. Would you mind trying more expanation, thanks Dan
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