Sweetspot plane analysis

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James Marshall (Hogan1953)

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If I'm looking at one of my student's swings on the laptop from down the line, at the top of the backswing and they're right on the turned shoulder plane should an extension of that line also dissect the sweetspot of the club?

Thanks for any insight.
 
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Hogan1953 said:
If I'm looking at one of my student's swings on the laptop from down the line, at the top of the backswing and they're right on the turned shoulder plane should an extension of that line also dissect the sweetspot of the club?

Thanks for any insight.
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At the risk of sounding like an idiot...

Do you, or HK, reference the sweet spot to lie on a certain plane? I don't have the book, so maybe it's in there.

Someone like NAT might know this.

In other words, if the sweet spot is just one point on the club face, say, technically an infinite number of planes pass through it.

To answer your question, I'd need to know how we define, or reference, this sort of plane.
 
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Not sure what you guys are getting at....if this has gone over my head or w/e....but the sweetspot plane goes from the sweetspot to the #3 PP. (right index finger) It relates to what the golfer "feels."

Found it in 2-F....not sure if there's any other references.
 
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birdie_man said:
Not sure what you guys are getting at....if this has gone over my head or w/e....but the sweetspot plane goes from the sweetspot to the #3 PP. (right index finger) It relates to what the golfer "feels."

Found it in 2-F....not sure if there's any other references.
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That's what I was looking for. I didn't know exactly how the sweet spot plane is referenced.
 
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Cool Erik.

Hogan1953 said:
If I'm looking at one of my student's swings on the laptop from down the line, at the top of the backswing and they're right on the turned shoulder plane should an extension of that line also dissect the sweetspot of the club?

Thanks for any insight.
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If the swing is long enough.....and the camera is exactly centered on that "parallel to the ground and target line" shaft at the top....then more or less yes.

If it's centered on the golfer....then it will look laid off a bit.
 
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What if you swing with the left hand only? What THEN is the point of contact in the body with the SS of the club? IOW, where does the plane run then?

What if the RH simply is not involved with the swing? So that there is no right index finger to hold it?
 
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I thought, and I could be wrong, that the sweet spot plane is nothing at address but a dot on the sweet spot. and that dot draws the line/plane DURING the swing.
 
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The reason I asked the question is that yesterday I spent most of the day reading posts both here and on Lynn Blake's site about swing plane etc and one of the conclusions from my reading is that maybe we shouldn't be so concerned with where the shaft is pointing but rather what the sweetspot and the hands are doing. On the LBG site there is section for Amazing Changes with photos of students before and after. In the first set of photos in that section, the line drawn up the TSP in the "after" photos goes right through the sweetspot. The subsequent commentary seems to suggest that that is where it should be, hence my question.
 
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Of course there is a relationship between the core of the throwing machine and what is being thrown: but it sure isn't in a right hand in the back pocket while the left arm swings by itself. Perhaps your intention can be phrased differently; but designating the #3 PP is awfully specific....and it clearly isn't involved if it isn't on the club.

Can you clarify your answer. Brian.
 
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Seems to me that if your swinging left arm only the pp #3 becomes your left index finger, as thats where your'll be feeling the weight of the clubhead.
 
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Brian Manzella said:
and you would STILL have a NUMBER THREE PRESSURE POINT!

(and you'll have #2 as well, nat)
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With WHAT do you sense the Pressure Point #3 with when you are using the the left hand only?
 
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My guess is that there is NO need for such a "pressure!" at all. The "rope handle" technique by itself is pure physics. Incidentally, tests and high speed photography prove that there is no such thing as "retained shaft flex" to impact: actual impact occurs with the head end of the club LEADING the shaft into the ball in the best of swings. So retaining shaft flex is a myth. I consider pressure from any other part of the right hand besides the base itself to be inappropriate for swingers. And I have no way to justify "hitting with muscular force" without that being in support of, and not in place of swinging. The basic muscular structure of a swing MUST conform to "the dog wags the tail!"

Another point: the Iron Byron machine has a single pivot at the connection between its "arms" and the club. There is no possible way it can leverage the club. It can only throw it from the gripcap end. PP#2.
 
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What else?

Brian Manzella said:
You would STILL HAVE a #3 pressure point.

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6‑C‑1 PRESSURE POINTS
#3. The first joint of the Right Hand index finger where it touches the Clubshaft.

If it is possible to have a #3 pressure point without using the first joint of the Right Hand index finger Homer's definition is plainly incorrect . What should it read?

 
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*The #3 Pressure Point can be either active or passive.
*The Orbiting Clubhead does not seek out the Ball-it seeks out the Delivery Line. But never directly-only via the Right Forearm and the #3 Pressure Point.

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