Swing Help Required

[timbo1988]

Hi I would very much appreciate it if you could all help me out with my swing.
I usually hit a 7 iron 150-160 yards, my good shot is a draw and my bad shot a hook or pull. I struggle with woods and longer clubs especially in terms of hooking them.
If anyone can help then it would be much appreciated.

 

[dschultz6072]

Camerman fart at 0:14? Balance!

 

[duckhook]

Damn where do I begin *L* You have absolutely no dynamics in your swing.No weight shift. Your swing is so slow there is no cluhead momentum to take advantage of .You push you left arm away from your chest destroying the #4 accumulator. You have a flat left wrist and a "closed" cluface at the top which is not a bad thing (Works great for David Duval and currently for myself). U really need to work on your footwork. Watch videos on youtube of pros in real time NOT slow motion. SLow motion destroys your ability to see tempo, timing and rhythm. At address bend your right elbow (don't keep it straight, this takes your club outside the baseline and pushes your left upper arm away from your chest during the takeaway). Take the club away with your left shoulder rotating downward while also shifting your weight to your right foot and keeping that bent right elbow close to your side.Let the momentum of the club carry you to a full 90 degree shoulder turn or better. Use what Jum McClean calls the X factor stretch ie as you approach the top of the backswing let the momentum of the club continue turning your shoulders further into your back swing while simultaneously shifting your weight to your left side. This will help get u on plane in the downswing so you won't go over the top and pull shots left. Let the turning of the body pull your hands arms and club around to impact. DO NOT try adding power with your hands/wrists. Your wrists only hold on to the club they do not HIT. If you hit with your hands , with such a strong grip and closed clubface, you will HOOK the ball into the next county. Keep those hands soft and quiet. If you grip the club too tightly you will hinder centrifugal force and the clubshaft will not release (form a straight line with your left arm at impact). Again learn to move more dynamically on your feet and utilize the momentum of the club during the backswing and start your downswing before your backswing is completed and keep those hands soft and quiet. This is a laymans explanation without too much mumbo jumbo technical bs. hope it helps
ps-so much is written about keeping your head still. I think you concentrate so much on it that is why u have no weight shift.For now don't worry too much about moving the head laterally. As you shift your weight let the head move for now. As you learn to shift your weight more efficiently and develope better swing dynamics, you can then fine tune the head movement. One note tho, try not to move the head UP and Down too much. Many beginner do that because they straighten their right leg when shifting weight in the backswing. Keep the bend in your right knee during the backswing and downswing. The method I have described here works well with a strong grip(2 to 3 knuckles showing on your left hand) , a flat left wrist at the top and a closed clubface at the top (just as you are doing in the video). However if you decide to add power with your hands you will hook the hell out of the ball. Remember...loose , soft hands. Hands just hold on to the club and must allow centrifugal force to work it's magic NOT hinder it. Study David Duval's swing on youtube. His swing is my swing and is the model for this response .

 

[timbo1988]

Damn where do I begin *L* You have absolutely no dynamics in your swing.No weight shift. Your swing is so slow there is no cluhead momentum to take advantage of .You push you left arm away from your chest destroying the #4 accumulator. You have a flat left wrist and a "closed" cluface at the top which is not a bad thing (Works great for David Duval and currently for myself). U really need to work on your footwork. Watch videos on youtube of pros in real time NOT slow motion. SLow motion destroys your ability to see tempo, timing and rhythm. At address bend your right elbow (don't keep it straight, this takes your club outside the baseline and pushes your left upper arm away from your chest during the takeaway). Take the club away with your left shoulder rotating downward while also shifting your weight to your right foot and keeping that bent right elbow close to your side.Let the momentum of the club carry you to a full 90 degree shoulder turn or better. Use what Jum McClean calls the X factor stretch ie as you approach the top of the backswing let the momentum of the club continue turning your shoulders further into your back swing while simultaneously shifting your weight to your left side. This will help get u on plane in the downswing so you won't go over the top and pull shots left. Let the turning of the body pull your hands arms and club around to impact. DO NOT try adding power with your hands/wrists. Your wrists only hold on to the club they do not HIT. If you hit with your hands , with such a strong grip and closed clubface, you will HOOK the ball into the next county. Keep those hands soft and quiet. If you grip the club too tightly you will hinder centrifugal force and the clubshaft will not release (form a straight line with your left arm at impact). Again learn to move more dynamically on your feet and utilize the momentum of the club during the backswing and start your downswing before your backswing is completed and keep those hands soft and quiet. This is a laymans explanation without too much mumbo jumbo technical bs. hope it helps
ps-so much is written about keeping your head still. I think you concentrate so much on it that is why u have no weight shift.For now don't worry too much about moving the head laterally. As you shift your weight let the head move for now. As you learn to shift your weight more efficiently and develope better swing dynamics, you can then fine tune the head movement. One note tho, try not to move the head UP and Down too much. Many beginner do that because they straighten their right leg when shifting weight in the backswing. Keep the bend in your right knee during the backswing and downswing. The method I have described here works well with a strong grip(2 to 3 knuckles showing on your left hand) , a flat left wrist at the top and a closed clubface at the top (just as you are doing in the video). However if you decide to add power with your hands you will hook the hell out of the ball. Remember...loose , soft hands. Hands just hold on to the club and must allow centrifugal force to work it's magic NOT hinder it. Study David Duval's swing on youtube. His swing is my swing and is the model for this response .

Thanks for the response, in terms of tempo I think it maybe a case of me making a few changes to the swing and not really getting used to them yet, I had a custom fitting and my swing speed was 85-95mph with a 7 iron and the local pro said my tempo was good my swing or do you mean I should speed my backswing up?

Thanks for the advice on footwork, is this something Duval does well? You talk about my hands, do I flip at the ball with my hands and is this why the ball hooks or pulls?

Have you got any range drills I can use?

 

[drewyallop]

I may be wrong but this seems to be two impenetrable paragraphs of mostly pre-Manzella nonsense.

My advice: buy all the BM videos and take a lesson if you can.

Drew

 

[golfball323]

Relax Duckhook,

It takes some guts to post a swing on here to be dissected by everybody. Asking him, "Where do I start?" and expressing to him that he has "no dynamics" is immature and quite frankly offensive to probably most of the people on here. We are all trying to improve , not be maligned with your "impenetrable paragraphs of pre-manzella nonsense" (awesome, drew). If you can't get your idea's across in less than 597 words maybe you should let the experts take a shot at it.

Telling him to study Duval because you do is probably the worst thing you could tell the guy. Yea, he has a bit of a road ahead of him, but that's half the fun of this game.

Timbo, welcome to the board. If I were you, I think address and takeaway is first on the list to fix. It's okay to look at the ball, your chin seems really high. As for the takeaway, try placing a ball behind the ball you are hitting and pushing it straight back to start your swing. Some people might disagree with this, but it should be an improvement.

It will also help with your tempo.

 

[curtisj76]

Buy Soft Draw and do the back and forth drill a lot.

 

[timbo1988]

Relax Duckhook,

It takes some guts to post a swing on here to be dissected by everybody. Asking him, "Where do I start?" and expressing to him that he has "no dynamics" is immature and quite frankly offensive to probably most of the people on here. We are all trying to improve , not be maligned with your "impenetrable paragraphs of pre-manzella nonsense" (awesome, drew). If you can't get your idea's across in less than 597 words maybe you should let the experts take a shot at it.

Telling him to study Duval because you do is probably the worst thing you could tell the guy. Yea, he has a bit of a road ahead of him, but that's half the fun of this game.

Timbo, welcome to the board. If I were you, I think address and takeaway is first on the list to fix. It's okay to look at the ball, your chin seems really high. As for the takeaway, try placing a ball behind the ball you are hitting and pushing it straight back to start your swing. Some people might disagree with this, but it should be an improvement.

It will also help with your tempo.

Thanks very much for your help.

The reason I have my chin high is due to a lesson I had with a pro and he said my left arm was getting stuck on the back swing as my chin was blocking it. I may have adjusted to far so will look at lowering it a bit.

Ok so for the backswing i should try and aim and push a second ball backwards?

 

[Virtuoso]

Damn where do I begin *L* You have absolutely no dynamics in your swing.No weight shift. Your swing is so slow there is no cluhead momentum to take advantage of .You push you left arm away from your chest destroying the #4 accumulator. You have a flat left wrist and a "closed" cluface at the top which is not a bad thing (Works great for David Duval and currently for myself). U really need to work on your footwork. Watch videos on youtube of pros in real time NOT slow motion. SLow motion destroys your ability to see tempo, timing and rhythm. At address bend your right elbow (don't keep it straight, this takes your club outside the baseline and pushes your left upper arm away from your chest during the takeaway). Take the club away with your left shoulder rotating downward while also shifting your weight to your right foot and keeping that bent right elbow close to your side.Let the momentum of the club carry you to a full 90 degree shoulder turn or better. Use what Jum McClean calls the X factor stretch ie as you approach the top of the backswing let the momentum of the club continue turning your shoulders further into your back swing while simultaneously shifting your weight to your left side. This will help get u on plane in the downswing so you won't go over the top and pull shots left. Let the turning of the body pull your hands arms and club around to impact. DO NOT try adding power with your hands/wrists. Your wrists only hold on to the club they do not HIT. If you hit with your hands , with such a strong grip and closed clubface, you will HOOK the ball into the next county. Keep those hands soft and quiet. If you grip the club too tightly you will hinder centrifugal force and the clubshaft will not release (form a straight line with your left arm at impact). Again learn to move more dynamically on your feet and utilize the momentum of the club during the backswing and start your downswing before your backswing is completed and keep those hands soft and quiet. This is a laymans explanation without too much mumbo jumbo technical bs. hope it helps
ps-so much is written about keeping your head still. I think you concentrate so much on it that is why u have no weight shift.For now don't worry too much about moving the head laterally. As you shift your weight let the head move for now. As you learn to shift your weight more efficiently and develope better swing dynamics, you can then fine tune the head movement. One note tho, try not to move the head UP and Down too much. Many beginner do that because they straighten their right leg when shifting weight in the backswing. Keep the bend in your right knee during the backswing and downswing. The method I have described here works well with a strong grip(2 to 3 knuckles showing on your left hand) , a flat left wrist at the top and a closed clubface at the top (just as you are doing in the video). However if you decide to add power with your hands you will hook the hell out of the ball. Remember...loose , soft hands. Hands just hold on to the club and must allow centrifugal force to work it's magic NOT hinder it. Study David Duval's swing on youtube. His swing is my swing and is the model for this response .

You had me at "Damn where do I begin".....and left me wanting so much more, even after the post script.

 

[curtisj76]

Buy some golf shoes if you don't have any.

 

[timbo1988]

I have golf shoes, i was practising in the garden so was not wearing them. If people are not going to be constructive then please can they not post. I played a round today and hot 21 over and that is no thanks to the people who have rubbished my swing which has hit my confidence.

 

[curtisj76]

I have golf shoes, i was practising in the garden so was not wearing them. If people are not going to be constructive then please can they not post. I played a round today and hot 21 over and that is no thanks to the people who have rubbished my swing which has hit my confidence.

Listen "buddy", I was trying to help you cuz I've never seen someone's left foot spin out that F'n much!

 

[softconsult]

Timbo comes looking for help, and then is offended by criticism, because he doesn't like it. Simply amazing, and childish on his part.

Additionally, I loved Drew's post. The endless paragraph thing used to be something I would post about. I simply cannot read a paragraph that is 300 or 400 words long. People would attack me for being too picky. I simply gave up trying to change these grammatically challenged writers.

 

[duckhook]

timbo- follow what I wrote earlier. I only responded because your swing style has some Duvalisms in it. If it hadn't I would not have felt qualified to answer, but when it comes to Duval I am an "expert" , hence my response. I am not going to waste time answering people who criticised my post for reasons that have nothing to do with golf. I like run on paragraphs, it saves time not having to hit enter *loL* Again there is NO flipping of the hands. They just hold on to the club.Hold on to the club mostly with the last 3 fingers of the left hand (pinky, ring finger and middle finger). If you want a gimmick to help you, go on youtube and search for "Taly". The little red ball works well to get you on plane and set your flying wedges. My drives average around 280 yards and I rarely miss a fairway. I apply no power with my right hand and I definately do not flip. hope this helps.

 

[footwedge]

timbo- follow what I wrote earlier. I only responded because your swing style has some Duvalisms in it. If it hadn't I would not have felt qualified to answer, but when it comes to Duval I am an "expert" , hence my response. I am not going to waste time answering people who criticised my post for reasons that have nothing to do with golf. I like run on paragraphs, it saves time not having to hit enter *loL* Again there is NO flipping of the hands. They just hold on to the club.Hold on to the club mostly with the last 3 fingers of the left hand (pinky, ring finger and middle finger). If you want a gimmick to help you, go on youtube and search for "Taly". The little red ball works well to get you on plane and set your flying wedges. My drives average around 280 yards and I rarely miss a fairway. I apply no power with my right hand and I definately do not flip. hope this helps.

Post up your swing, I'd love to see how your right hand does not apply any power. What does it do in your swing?

 

[footwedge]

How does one become an expert on a Tour player's swing, do you teach Duval or know him or have you studied his swing and feel like you know it like your own?

 

[footwedge]

Timbo comes looking for help, and then is offended by criticism, because he doesn't like it. Simply amazing, and childish on his part.

Additionally, I loved Drew's post. The endless paragraph thing used to be something I would post about. I simply cannot read a paragraph that is 300 or 400 words long. People would attack me for being too picky. I simply gave up trying to change these grammatically challenged writers.

I agree with the endless paragraph thing, life's too short and I love the P.S. second endless paragraph after the first endless one...lol.

 

[footwedge]

I have golf shoes, i was practising in the garden so was not wearing them. If people are not going to be constructive then please can they not post. I played a round today and hot 21 over and that is no thanks to the people who have rubbished my swing which has hit my confidence.

Timbo, you shot 21 over with the same slow motion swing in the garden? If so that would be an incredible round of golf using that swing with that amount of non- effort, just think of the possibilities when you really use your real swing. No where to go except up from here.

Seriously for a strapping lad you look like an old lady swinging like that, what are you afraid of a speeding ticket from the golf police...lol.
Just a friendly kick in the behind to wake you up.

 

[dannyc]

I have golf shoes, i was practising in the garden so was not wearing them. If people are not going to be constructive then please can they not post. I played a round today and hot 21 over and that is no thanks to the people who have rubbished my swing which has hit my confidence.

Relax man, it is a forum. Remember, you don't have to read every post, and some people's advice should be listened to more than others.

Often times threads go off on tangents. Some people will offer advice, and others will argue over other points that don't always relate exactly to the original question. It's gonna happen.

Good luck and hang in there.

 

[duckhook]

footwedge-
I am self taught. Through trial and error ( and forums like this)I discovered some things that work great and some things that just don't hold up under pressure (for me).One thing I learned early was that hooding the club(keeping it square if you will) in the first half of the swing worked great in my short game.I then decided to look at the pro's and find one that hoods the club. I found Duval. Studied him endless hours and through trial and error found what worked and didn't work. My slightly bent right arm at address is used as guide to get me on plane on the backswing and back on plane on the downswing. It's hard to explain. I feel as if my right elbow acts as a fulcrum for my left side to either push against in the backswing and pull against in the downswing.It simply acts as a plane guide is the best way i can put it.It also stays close tomy side, does not fly at the top. My right hand produces no power.It very lightly holds on to the club. Power comes from the body and the utilizing the kinematic sequence as Hogan described in his book.

Trevino said that pressure is a 5 dollar nassau when you only have 3 dollars in your pocket. If I think that I have a method that works I put it to the "Trevino test" as I call it. This method has worked great for ME. It may ruin your game.

Sorry the non TGM nomenclature