Swing it like Freddie Couples

[Tom Bartlett]

Hinging of any kind occurs during the impact interval. But is considered to be done until follow through. Swivel is after follow through. At least 'finish swivel" is, which is what I think you are referring to. There is a swivel before impact too.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

You need to read a little more closely up there in Chi-town.

I said that Freddy's left wrist was CUPPED at the TOP, so it does NOT NEGATE "my theory".

Sorry, i assumed that your knew if you had a 10-2-D grip you'd understand that the "big cupped left wrist" is actually "geometrically flat" because of the how strong the grip is. Look at some swing sequences of him, the leading edge of the face is still parallel to his left forearm.

So again, even though it's "cupped" at the top it's still "geometrically flat" with his grip type. Also, because that left wrist is not cupped at impact, it is not open.

He's a strong-gripping, open-faced, cupped left wrist at the top player who fully releases the clubhead and hits a powerful fade. No one can possibly hit the ball as far as freddy does while implementing an angled hinge.

I'm sorry that you don't understand this, but when you use a 10-2-D grip you pretty much do not employ horizontal hinging because of the fact you'd hook the crap out it. Really, no one can hit the ball that far with an angled hinge? Ask Tiger or Bubba how they do it with their pull-fades

An Excerpt from "Total Shotmaking" by Fred Couples....

"It's okay if your left wrist is flat and your clubface is square at the top. I prefer the slightly cupped position, which indicates a slightly open clubface, because I know that on the downswing I can really let me wrists whip into the ball with no fear of hitting a wild hook. I think, therefore, that the cupped position ultimately results in a more powerful golf shot."

That's nice, Freddy is probably the last person who should be talking about the golf swing since he is probably THE biggest feel player of all time. I have a friend in Texas who played college golf with him if you don't believe me. He has nothing but natural talent and plays with what feels right. Do you really think he figured, ya....i'll play a push fade my whole golfing career. No, first he hooked it and figured out if he stood open to the ball and swung our to the right holding it off (angled hinge) he'd hit a very predictable fade.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

I think vjacapron was referring to Freddie's wrist being cupped at the top of the backswing.

He was, but that doesn't mean it's open at impact. He has a flat left wrist just like all great ball strikers which is what i meant by the fact that he is "Flat" at impact which negates this whole huge open clubface issue.

Also look at my other post, to have a geometrically flat left wrist with a 10-2-D grip you have to have a very large cup in your left wrist.

 

[Tball88]

Thanks Tom, so finish swivel and horizontal hinging are very much the same movement, just ocurring at different points in the swing. That helps, I never was sure the real difference. I have difficulty getting to a horizontal hinge, I'm a natural hitter and even when I swing, I swing with an angled hinge. Tough to learn when it doesn't come naturally.

 

[tongzilla]

so finish swivel and horizontal hinging are very much the same movement, just ocurring at different points in the swing. That helps, I never was sure the real difference.

No.
Any Hinge Action, including the Horizontal Hinge, does not employ a true rotation of the left wrist, whereas the Finish Swivel does. With a Horizontal Hinge, the Flat Left Wrist simply remains Vertical to the ground from Impact to Follow Through. Even though we produce a full roll motion of the Clubface, there is no actual rotational wrist action. After the Horizontal Hinge Action at Follow Through, there's the Finish Swivel which is a true rotation of the wrists to bring the left palm back to its 'parallel to the plane' alignment.

 

[tongzilla]

There is nothing that says you cannot have the Clubface remain Vertical to the ground from Impact to Follow Through (i.e. Horizontal Hinging) if you have a strong grip (e.g. 10-2-D). Any hook spin is caused by the divergence of the Clubface to Clubhead path and/or over-roll during Impact. So, it is absolutely possible to use a Horizontal Hinge and still produce a dead straight shot with a 10-2-D type grip.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

There is nothing that says you cannot have the Clubface remain Vertical to the ground from Impact to Follow Through (i.e. Horizontal Hinging) if you have a strong grip (e.g. 10-2-D). Any hook spin is caused by the divergence of the Clubface to Clubhead path and/or over-roll during Impact. So, it is absolutely possible to use a Horizontal Hinge and still produce a dead straight shot with a 10-2-D type grip.

Tong, anything's "possilbe" but that doesn't mean it's "likely."