Swing Overhaul

[rundmc]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

run,

The angle measures the degree of #2 accumulator(wristcock). The more acute the angle is at release point, the more #2 "lag potential".

Howell does have a more acute angle than Brian. And, Howell holds his wristcock deeper into the downswing for a auto snap release, but Howell is Swinging while Brian is Hitting with a non-auto(I think) sweep release.

MJ,

First of all thanks. I always get alot from your posts. This leads me to another question: Since we are talking about Accumulator Lag (correct?), does Accumulator Lag automatically translate to better maintaining the LOC, assuming no throw away? Or may be the question should be does #2 lag = more shaft load = more lag?

So assuming equal skill level, swing speed, and mass between Brian and Howell (Howell would have to raise his game for sure!), which move would equate to better compression?

Thanks!

R

 

[MizunoJoe]

run,

Those are thought provoking questions. Maintaining the LOC is about minimizing the head speed loss between impact and separation, which is accomplished with the Flat Left Wrist, not quitting, keeping the clubhead on plane, and hitting the ball with a down and out impact. The BEST you can do for separation speed is 80% of impact speed, so if you do that, and hit the ball down and out on plane, you've done as good a job of sustaining the LOC as you can do. Of course what you want to do is sustain the LOC along with a high impact speed, and that's where #2 lag comes in as the MAJOR contributor to head speed. Max head speed is achieved by a max delay auto snap release, where how much this max delay is, depends on how much lag pressure the player can withstand and maintain past separation.

Shaft loading is an interesting subject in itself, as some Swings have a double loading - once early in the downswing and again at #2 release point, which restresses the shaft. I believe that most Hitting procedures only load the shaft once due to the sweep release.

I'll only say that Howell probably compresses the ball a "little" more than Brian.

 

[rundmc]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

run,

Those are thought provoking questions. Maintaining the LOC is about minimizing the head speed loss between impact and separation, which is accomplished with the Flat Left Wrist, not quitting, keeping the clubhead on plane, and hitting the ball with a down and out impact. The BEST you can do for separation speed is 80% of impact speed, so if you do that, and hit the ball down and out on plane, you've done as good a job of sustaining the LOC as you can do. Of course what you want to do is sustain the LOC along with a high impact speed, and that's where #2 lag comes in as the MAJOR contributor to head speed. Max head speed is achieved by a max delay auto snap release, where how much this max delay is, depends on how much lag pressure the player can withstand and maintain past separation.

Shaft loading is an interesting subject in itself, as some Swings have a double loading - once early in the downswing and again at #2 release point, which restresses the shaft. I believe that most Hitting procedures only load the shaft once due to the sweep release.

I'll only say that Howell probably compresses the ball a "little" more than Brian.

Thanks MJ.

Another solid post. Howell must be doing (or must have been doing prior to Led's overhaul) something mechanically efficient. That guy is a string bean. I saw him at an event a while back. He looked like he walked out of a POW camp. He was just murdering the ball. One thing that I always come away with seeing the guys in person is on TV you don't get a real perspective of their velocity. In person, these guys swing smooth but they swing HARD!

Thanks again.

R

 

[MizunoJoe]

run,

Thank you, for the questions about one of my favorite Swings, before it was "fixed".

One more interesting little observation about Howell. I saw him practicing at the Nelson in 2000 or 2001, purposely hitting his driver only 100-150 yds. Maybe Kelnhofer or his Ok St coach, TGMer, Mike Holder, suggested that.

 

[bcoak]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

run,

Thank you, for the questions about one of my favorite Swings, before it was "fixed".

One more interesting little observation about Howell. I saw him practicing at the Nelson in 2000 or 2001, purposely hitting his driver only 100-150 yds. Maybe Kelnhofer or his Ok St coach, TGMer, Mike Holder, suggested that.

Thats a drill Davis Love uses a lot, taught to him by his father.

 

[EdZ]

A wonderful drill, I use it every range session, but not usuallly with a driver, a 7 iron stepping up from 50-165 yards.

 

[ej20]

I think Charles was trying to get less backspin on his short iron approaches.He has the same problem Greg Norman had.Greg would fly the ball close to the flag only to have the ball backup right off the green.He lost more than a few Majors with that problem.

I don't know how delagging will solve that problem for Charles.Perhaps a little less trigger delay?I wonder what Brian or Yoda would recommend?

 

[lagster]

Norman was using the old Tour Edition ball when he was spinning those balls off the green. I think that was part of the problem. That ball would really spin.

It seems that Charles could just switch to a lower spin ball, rather than change his release.

 

[EdZ]

The ball sure has evolved since those - man they were rocks - tore up many a 'wood' club. They certainly did spin, but I am still fond of the old tour prof's feel. The Tour Edition was a completely different animal. I'd love to see the pros of today play with some of those older designs again.

Just make the Prof 100 'the' standard.