Swing Speed

[fmlutz]

quote:Originally posted by hue

I am not Brian but I asked this very question to him some time ago. He recommended that I hit balls out of deep divots making the divots deeper. It worked for me. To get mash you need to provide force through the ball to resist the resistance of the ball. It might be an idea just swinging the club DOWN into the ground and getting used to the thump. I am helping a friend at the moment with a picking problem and I getting him making a thumping noise when he hits the matt. Thump the deck then hit balls out of deep divots. I know Redgoat feels this is tough on the wrists so if you are frail don't over do it.
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Thanks for the tip- I will try it

Mike

 

[Whiteflash]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by Jim Blackwell

Today I had my swing speed measured at 70 MPH. I hit the ball between 190 and 220 yards, with a driver. Does anyone have numerical data that translates MPH to yards. I have read and heard that for every mile the club travels, the ball goes 3 yards. If so, how do I increase my swing speed. Thank you.

Jim,

Here's my Rx for your Clubhead Speed problem.

From the Top of your swing, do these three things:

First, Drag the Butt End of the Club toward the Target Line somewhere behind the Ball. Makes no difference at what spot, just Drag the Club toward the Target Line behind the Ball;

Second, almost immediately after you've begun to Drag the Club Down, let your Left Wrist Uncock, just like you were using your Left Wrist to sling a water bottle directly toward the Target Line behind the Ball;

Third, once you've felt the 'slinging' start, Roll your Hands on a Straight Line through the Ball.

Drag, Uncock and Roll, Jim. Got it?

Now do it!

Holenone, if you would drag the butt end of the club at the target line behind the ball, would the farther behind the ball on the target line you drug the handle poduce more lag? Or is there an optimun target at which to shoot for?

Thanks

whiteflash

 

[holenone]

quote:Originally posted by Whiteflash

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by Jim Blackwell

Today I had my swing speed measured at 70 MPH. I hit the ball between 190 and 220 yards, with a driver. Does anyone have numerical data that translates MPH to yards. I have read and heard that for every mile the club travels, the ball goes 3 yards. If so, how do I increase my swing speed. Thank you.

Jim,

Here's my Rx for your Clubhead Speed problem.

From the Top of your swing, do these three things:

First, Drag the Butt End of the Club toward the Target Line somewhere behind the Ball. Makes no difference at what spot, just Drag the Club toward the Target Line behind the Ball;

Second, almost immediately after you've begun to Drag the Club Down, let your Left Wrist Uncock, just like you were using your Left Wrist to sling a water bottle directly toward the Target Line behind the Ball;

Third, once you've felt the 'slinging' start, Roll your Hands on a Straight Line through the Ball.

Drag, Uncock and Roll, Jim. Got it?

Now do it!

Holenone, if you would drag the butt end of the club at the target line behind the ball, would the farther behind the ball on the target line you drug the handle poduce more lag? Or is there an optimun target at which to shoot for?

Thanks

whiteflash

Whiteflash,

The answer is 'No' to both questions. As a Swinger, you ideally Load the Club by Dragging the Butt End toward the Line (10-19-C). The exact point on the Line will be changing constantly due to the Path of the Hands.

For Aiming purposes, you should actually be monitoring the Right Forefinger #3 Lag Pressure Point. In so doing, let your Downstroke Pivot (that has produced and is now sustaining the Drag Load) simultaneously move the Lag Pressure Point precisely (and strongly!) down the mentally-constructed straight line toward your Aiming Point (6-E-2-1).

 

[dene]

quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

holen1,

I agree that he should find an AI, since, otherwise, he will probably not blend in a proper Pivot with the upper body movements.

A very astute observation, MizunoJoe.

Jim will attempt to do as I've instructed, i.e., Drag the Butt End of the Club Down Plane. Hopefully, this will get him Loading properly. For sure, it's a 'light years' improvement over his current Hand Throw from the Top.

But the best Loading -- whether the Swinger Loading the Left Wrist or the Hitter Loading the Right Elbow -- is always done by the Pivot. In other words, the Hands are 'left at the Top,' as the Pivot begins its forward motion. This is the only real assurance the player has that his Pivot will remain properly ahead of the Hands throughout the Downstroke.

Will Jim be able to do that on his own?

Probably not, but at least now he knows what to do.

I'm quite certain that I have pivot issues. I'm a hitter and have enjoyed success with creating additional lag by flattening my left wrist at the top and maintaining it through impact. Problem is....a poor pivot move doesn't create much distance, even though I'm sweet-spotting it more.

So....where around Portland Oregon is a good AI? If none, does anybody do video lessons?

-Greg

 

[denny.]

Joe Danials is in Beaverton. His # is 503-720-5468----He would know were others are.

 

[Ringer]

quote:Originally posted by brianman

What it means is this:

The ball responds to BOTH of these two speeds:

Clubhead speed at impact
AND
Clubhead speed at SEPARATION (when the ball leaves).

SO....

You CAN swing 119 mph at impact and hit it FARTHER
than someone swinging 126....

Like Daly and Woods...

MORE MASH, more SUSTAINing THE Line of Compression=

More distance!

I'm curious what you believe "Sustaining the line of compress" means and how you produce it?

 

[EdZ]

Ringer - sustaining the line of compression is, in the most simple definition, the essence of what TGM is all about.

In a nutshell you can sum it up as "proper application of efficient force"

Also known as 'supporting the on plane force in balance'

 

[mb6606]

What it means is this:

The ball responds to BOTH of these two speeds:

Clubhead speed at impact
AND
Clubhead speed at SEPARATION (when the ball leaves).

SO....

You CAN swing 119 mph at impact and hit it FARTHER
than someone swinging 126....

Like Daly and Woods...

MORE MASH, more SUSTAINing THE Line of Compression=

More distance!
This was confirmed at the recent made for televison shootout in LA. The higer swing speeds did not necessarily result in greater ball speed.

 

[Burner]

Ringer,

The following is a quote from an article written in Golf Monthly magazine in the UK, around 1987, by a man called John Allan May who became a friend of Mr Kelley.

quote:
Clubhead speed is necessary. But it is secondary. And even then it is not speed at impact that counts. It is speed at separation, when the ball rebounds off the clubface. This implies the addition of thrust or the feeling of “staying with the ball.” (Other technicians prefer either the “impulse” or “pressure” to the word thrust. But the label doesn’t matter, it’s the goods underneath that count.)

Seems to me to adequately answer your question about the meaning of "Sustaining the line of compression".

Courtesy of Golfingrandy and the TGM forum, where there is a lot to be learned by those who seek the TRUTH.

 

[EdZ]

For me, it is a clear feeling that the ball "stays on the face" for as long as possible

 

[Ringer]

Would this not simply be "accellerate during compression"?

 

[drewitgolf]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Would this not simply be "accellerate during compression"?

More like resistance to slow-down. The golf ball will cause the club to slow down at impact not accelerate. Better players, because of their impact conditions, resist this slow down and have a greater seperation speed.

 

[MizunoJoe]

mb6605

In the LA Shootout, did they mention exactly where/how they were measuring the clubhead speed? I'm guessing at impact. If they measured separation speed instead, I'd bet that the best ball speeds correlated exactly to the best separation speeds. It's interesting that the best separation speed is only 80% of impact speed, so impact speed is important, in order to maximize the potential separation speed. But the ball gets 100% of the separation speed vs only 70% of impact speed, which means that separation velocity is boss. Which really means that the Flat Left Wrist is boss.

 

[EdZ]

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Would this not simply be "accellerate during compression"?

Yes and no. You can have speed without proper application of force (support/mass).

 

[MizunoJoe]

Ringer,

The key is a Flat Left Wrist moving steadily through the impact interval. Tour players hands move at 15-23 mph for full shots, a velocity attainable by anyone.

 

[mb6606]

MJoe,
They had a device they would move a few feet behind the player at address.
The device measured swing speed, spin rate and ball speed. I was curious why ball speed would be higher for one player with a loswer swing speed.
Brian, you and Homer answered this thanks.

 

[Ringer]

quote:Originally posted by drewitgolf

quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Would this not simply be "accellerate during compression"?

More like resistance to slow-down. The golf ball will cause the club to slow down at impact not accelerate. Better players, because of their impact conditions, resist this slow down and have a greater seperation speed.

Interesting.. If this is true it brings to issue whether or not the clubhead truely is open at impact and square at seperation... if the clubhead "slows down" due to inertia, would that not also effect the way the clubhead reacts durring compression?