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shootin4par

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been close to a week now and doing this, while looking 1-2 dimples inside has taken care of my hooks and snap hooks. I have not snap hooked a driver OB in the last three rounds and before doing this I woudl average about 1.5 OB lefts a round. GOt a nice draw, starts online and much more consistent. THanks a lot BMAN, been trying to figure it out for a while but just did not listen to you soon enough. Also, have began to sense pressure point #3 which I had posted questions before on how to do this. SO here is my new question, should I still swing left with chips and pitches, while directing #3 at the same spot of the ball?

ALso, out of curiousity what players would you not perscribe swinging left for? If you swing left, while not lunging at the ball or coming over the top, and direct #3 on the inside of the ball, who shound not swing left?
 
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About how soon after the ball should one be swinging left? Is it gradual, or more abrupt? Are there any drills available to help ingrain this feel?
 
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Bigwill said:
About how soon after the ball should one be swinging left? Is it gradual, or more abrupt? Are there any drills available to help ingrain this feel?
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BIG WILL...here's four

I've got a laser trainer, but...find a straight line on the floor. Maybe the hardwood, linoleum, conrete edge, etc., Take your normal address position and grip the club the by the clubface. Set the butt end on that "line". Slow on the takeaway, trace the line back with your pivot. Do your best to maintain the invisble line. Do the same into release, impact, and follow thru, make sure to pivot correctly while keeping the ead relatively fixed. Freeze at impact. FEEL this. Freeze at follow thru. Feel this. If your pivot is correct, you should feel left. Initially, for me, this felt way left!

Stick a glove underneath the left armpit.

Ben hogan...glue both elbows to your side, your arms stiff, and make half swings. Look at the circular motion of the clubface, circular motion of your hands. Both momentarily square itself at separation, otherwise it's either moving right or left. This exercise is designed to get the feel of the body making the swing. With all else equal (pivot, head positon...) you can monitor to swinging left sensation as well...to a lesser degree, not a bad drill for putting!

at follow thru (both arms straight), take a fix postion. the head back, the most beautiful and perfect pivot you can imagine...If you were to look at your hands, it would appear to be at 1 o'clockish. if you were to have a friend look down the line, your hands are really at 11 o'clockish...

here's my caveat. I'm not a golf instructor, just a regular joe trying to figure "it" out,,,and "these are just drills"...! This is about getting left...:)
 
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blehnhard said:
Tigers' divots were all 'Left" yesterday.

Bruce
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And that will be because the divot is taken after the ball has been hit, by which time the club is coming back in from down and out, then square and is in the process of moving in from square prior to up and in to the finish.

Therein, somewhere, lies the answer to "shootin4par's" original question.
 
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Burner said:
And that will be because the divot is taken after the ball has been hit, by which time the club is coming back in from down and out, then square and is in the process of moving in from square prior to up and in to the finish.

Therein, somewhere, lies the answer to "shootin4par's" original question.
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which was, methinks, blenhard's point:)
 
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"old" vs "new"

I can remember watching the old golf shows (Shells WWofG) comes to mind. Camera angles can be a huge issue here.

It always appeared that with the players of that era, the ball would always start well to the right of the apparent line of motion. With many of today's players, the ball appears to start along the line of motion.

My conclusion is that the 'older players' had a lot of 'rapid closing' of the clubface to hook the ball back and that the more 'modern' swing has a 'quiet' clubface (only rotation caused by the pivot or subtle arm rotation.

I also feel (guys you can shoot arrows at this one) that the greater the amount that pivot has advanced past 'square' at impact the easier it is to maintain 'shaft lean' (flat left and bent right) with a 'square' or 'squaring' clubface. The less the pivot has advanced past 'square' the more throwaway will have to square off the clubface. I have hit many nice 'soft draws" feeling that I was holding the clubface open to the target thru impact and separation.

Here is another thought you can shoot arrows at. I would rather be 'slightly OTT' coming into impact than too far under (out to the right). I find it much easier to 'hold the clubface off' and hit a pull fade then to try and 'square up' a clubface that is coming from too far inside (heel pushes are real common for me here or the occasional snapper.

Burner - that was the reason for my Tiger's left divot pattern

Bruce
 
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blehnhard

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Birdie Man - not trying to start an OTT revolution - just saying what works for me. Maybe OTT is not the right word, I just try to move more 'down the line thru the back of the ball' rather than to the 'inside aft'. Feeling is always different than reality. I still try to keep the right shoulder back and down although I have been known to put the 'late shoulder spin' in operation when I get stuck too far inside - it can be ugly at times.

Bruce
 
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Nono I know what you mean....just pointing out that anyone can do whatever they want so long as it works. (3 Imparatives) Now it seems you know that but I wanted to throw it out there.

I wanted to be brief and it's hard to write that way and not have it come off argumentative.
 
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